Jesus and religion

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?
He didn't present to them in a way that the Jews thought he would/should.
Their beliefs and traditions blinded them.

Now, this is an entry into my point and I don't want this thread to be hijacked to talk about the Jews...but my point is this:

Briefly, you've got the story of Jesus, then you've got the surrounding religious traditions and dogma that is built on the story by humans.

Such dogma of behaviours that I've witnessed include:

a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"


I'll think of I've heard any more.

Anybody else see or heard of any silly beliefs of traditions.?

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?
He didn't present to them in a way that the Jews thought he would/should.
Their beliefs and traditions blinded them.

Now, this is an entry into my point and I don't want this thread to be hijacked to talk about the Jews...but my point is this:

Briefly, you've got the story of Jesus, then you've got the surrounding religious traditions and dogma that is built on the story by humans.

Such dogma of behaviours that I've witnessed include:

a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"


I'll think of I've heard any more.

Anybody else see or heard of any silly beliefs of traditions.?

So you created a thread solely for people to talk crap about others beliefs? Good idea. Nothing bad could come out of that.

C. Scary films give the devil a foothold into your mind, no thank you

D. 6,000 not 5,000

Really?
Why do you believe this.
I know it might be a tradition you were taught, and therefore might insist that you're correct, but can you justify it?

Do you believe that Harry Potter is evil too?

I believe this because the Bible tells me to flee from all appearance of evil.

Ahh ok.
That's a good justification.
Can you show me where it says that?
I thought it said not to fear.

You've responded to the first part of my post but not the second, about the age of the Earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Really?
Why do you believe this.
I know it might be a tradition you were taught, and therefore might insist that you're correct, but can you justify it?

Do you believe that Harry Potter is evil too?



I have seen the calculation that people who believe this conduct in order to arrive at this conclusion.

For the benefit of those that don't know, it involves adding up the ages of everybody mentioned in the Bible until you arrive at the present day.

The thing that should give you suspicions that the calculation does not yield an accurate result is this:

Imagine yourself in the year 1500, and then in the year 10,000.
Carrying out a calculation on the age of the Earth would yield the same result of 6,000 years old.
The answer you get doesn't change as time goes on, as one would expect when calculating age.

So I understand that somebody has drilled this peripheral belief into you so hard that your mind is effectively now imprisoned by it, but it's just not true.

All I've done is present a logical mathematical argument too, I haven't even bothered to look at the world around us...much like people who believe that stuff.

Ok. Good justification, which I accept.

Any response to the second part of my comment, about the age of the Earth?

I also believe as God created all things in 6 days and on the 7th He rested, even so the end of this world as we know it will end in 6 thousand years and on the 7th, Christ will reign on the earth as the day of rest.

Seven is the number of completion.

To be honest, I didn’t understand your explanation.

Our replies to each other are out of sync 🙂

Ok, imagine I want to use some other method to calculate the age of something.

Say the answer I got was 1,000,000 years or so as the age.
Let's say that in another 500,000 years, somebody else uses the same method to calculate the age again.

Now, by this point the age has increased by another 50%, so should yield a different result even using equipment that is not even especially accurate.

But what if the method still said it's 1,000,000 years old?

Well the method must be wrong, as the age it gives doesn't change with time - even huge changes in time.

Now, this is relevant because that's exactly what happens when trying to calculate the age of the Earth using the Bible.

Most people who believe the age of the Earth to be 6,000 (or thereabouts) don't even know how that conclusion is arrived at, they just believe it because the people around them believe it.

You would expect the calculation to produce a different result as time goes on, as the age of the Earth increases.
But the calculation used from the Bible doesn't do that.
If you did the calculation 300 years ago you would get the same answer, so too if you did the calculation in another 6,000 years.

Um, this is silly. The Bible isn't used to calculate the age of the earth until the present. It is used to calculate the amount of time between the creation of Adam and the coming of Christ. We use basic historical knowledge to calculate the elapsed time since then.

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?