Jesus and religion

[Adam4Eve]

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?
He didn't present to them in a way that the Jews thought he would/should.
Their beliefs and traditions blinded them.

Now, this is an entry into my point and I don't want this thread to be hijacked to talk about the Jews...but my point is this:

Briefly, you've got the story of Jesus, then you've got the surrounding religious traditions and dogma that is built on the story by humans.

Such dogma of behaviours that I've witnessed include:

a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"


I'll think of I've heard any more.

Anybody else see or heard of any silly beliefs of traditions.?

 

[Adstar]

Well i do not necessarily think that holding any of those beliefs you mentioned will see a person disqualified from salvation if they hold to believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement Jesus secured for them..

I got out of a false church of traditions and i will share one of them that i was taught.. One that would see me being disqualified from salvation if i continued in believing it..

e. God is in heaven and He has a big book and every time He see's you doing something good He puts a tick in the book and every time He see's you doing something bad He puts an X in the book. So that when it come time for the judgement He will could up all the ticks and all the X's and if the ticks outnumber the X's peter will open the gates of heaven and let you in. But if the X's outnumber the ticks then God will throw you into hell...

So there you have a real tradition that i was taught.. One that i renounced along with the false religion that taught it to me..

 

[Subhumanoidal]

So you created a thread solely for people to talk crap about others beliefs? Good idea. Nothing bad could come out of that.

 

[John146]

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?
He didn't present to them in a way that the Jews thought he would/should.
Their beliefs and traditions blinded them.

Now, this is an entry into my point and I don't want this thread to be hijacked to talk about the Jews...but my point is this:

Briefly, you've got the story of Jesus, then you've got the surrounding religious traditions and dogma that is built on the story by humans.

Such dogma of behaviours that I've witnessed include:

a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"


I'll think of I've heard any more.

Anybody else see or heard of any silly beliefs of traditions.?

A. I drink both because of the Bible
B. It could exist, but doesn’t
C. Scary films give the devil a foothold into your mind, no thank you
D. 6,000 not 5,000

😁

 

[jaybird88]

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?

the Jews did accept Jesus. all His disciples were Jewish, crowds of Jews followed Him everywhere, and those that wanted to kill Him had to plot in secret because they feared the crowds.
the religious leaders did not accept, thats about 1% of the people. not enough to say "the Jews" reject Jesus.

 

[Journeyman]

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?
He didn't present to them in a way that the Jews thought he would/should.
Their beliefs and traditions blinded them.

Now, this is an entry into my point and I don't want this thread to be hijacked to talk about the Jews...but my point is this:

Briefly, you've got the story of Jesus, then you've got the surrounding religious traditions and dogma that is built on the story by humans.

Such dogma of behaviours that I've witnessed include:

a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"


I'll think of I've heard any more.

Anybody else see or heard of any silly beliefs of traditions.?

The silly belief that I'm better than other people.

 

[Adam4Eve]

So you created a thread solely for people to talk crap about others beliefs? Good idea. Nothing bad could come out of that.

Hopefully it will bring people closer to Jesus and further away from tradition.

So on the contrary, some good may come from it.

 

[Adam4Eve]

C. Scary films give the devil a foothold into your mind, no thank you

Really?
Why do you believe this.
I know it might be a tradition you were taught, and therefore might insist that you're correct, but can you justify it?

Do you believe that Harry Potter is evil too?

D. 6,000 not 5,000

I have seen the calculation that people who believe this conduct in order to arrive at this conclusion.

For the benefit of those that don't know, it involves adding up the ages of everybody mentioned in the Bible until you arrive at the present day.

The thing that should give you suspicions that the calculation does not yield an accurate result is this:

Imagine yourself in the year 1500, and then in the year 10,000.
Carrying out a calculation on the age of the Earth would yield the same result of 6,000 years old.
The answer you get doesn't change as time goes on, as one would expect when calculating age.

So I understand that somebody has drilled this peripheral belief into you so hard that your mind is effectively now imprisoned by it, but it's just not true.

All I've done is present a logical mathematical argument too, I haven't even bothered to look at the world around us...much like people who believe that stuff.

 

[John146]

Really?
Why do you believe this.
I know it might be a tradition you were taught, and therefore might insist that you're correct, but can you justify it?

Do you believe that Harry Potter is evil too?

I believe this because the Bible tells me to flee from all appearance of evil.

 

[Adam4Eve]

I believe this because the Bible tells me to flee from all appearance of evil.

Ahh ok.
That's a good justification.
Can you show me where it says that?
I thought it said not to fear.

You've responded to the first part of my post but not the second, about the age of the Earth.

 

[John146]

Ahh ok.
That's a good justification.
Can you show me where it says that?
I thought it said not to fear.

You've responded to the first part of my post but not the second, about the age of the Earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

 

[Adam4Eve]

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Ok. Good justification, which I accept.

Any response to the second part of my comment, about the age of the Earth?

 

[John146]

Really?
Why do you believe this.
I know it might be a tradition you were taught, and therefore might insist that you're correct, but can you justify it?

Do you believe that Harry Potter is evil too?



I have seen the calculation that people who believe this conduct in order to arrive at this conclusion.

For the benefit of those that don't know, it involves adding up the ages of everybody mentioned in the Bible until you arrive at the present day.

The thing that should give you suspicions that the calculation does not yield an accurate result is this:

Imagine yourself in the year 1500, and then in the year 10,000.
Carrying out a calculation on the age of the Earth would yield the same result of 6,000 years old.
The answer you get doesn't change as time goes on, as one would expect when calculating age.

So I understand that somebody has drilled this peripheral belief into you so hard that your mind is effectively now imprisoned by it, but it's just not true.

All I've done is present a logical mathematical argument too, I haven't even bothered to look at the world around us...much like people who believe that stuff.

I also believe as God created all things in 6 days and on the 7th He rested, even so the end of this world as we know it will end in 6 thousand years and on the 7th, Christ will reign on the earth as the day of rest.

Seven is the number of completion.

 

[John146]

Ok. Good justification, which I accept.

Any response to the second part of my comment, about the age of the Earth?

To be honest, I didn’t understand your explanation.

 

[Adam4Eve]

I also believe as God created all things in 6 days and on the 7th He rested, even so the end of this world as we know it will end in 6 thousand years and on the 7th, Christ will reign on the earth as the day of rest.

Seven is the number of completion.

Yes but that's not what I asked.
Please answer the point directly.

 

[Adam4Eve]

To be honest, I didn’t understand your explanation.

Our replies to each other are out of sync 🙂

Ok, imagine I want to use some other method to calculate the age of something.

Say the answer I got was 1,000,000 years or so as the age.
Let's say that in another 500,000 years, somebody else uses the same method to calculate the age again.

Now, by this point the age has increased by another 50%, so should yield a different result even using equipment that is not even especially accurate.

But what if the method still said it's 1,000,000 years old?

Well the method must be wrong, as the age it gives doesn't change with time - even huge changes in time.

Now, this is relevant because that's exactly what happens when trying to calculate the age of the Earth using the Bible.

Most people who believe the age of the Earth to be 6,000 (or thereabouts) don't even know how that conclusion is arrived at, they just believe it because the people around them believe it.

You would expect the calculation to produce a different result as time goes on, as the age of the Earth increases.
But the calculation used from the Bible doesn't do that.
If you did the calculation 300 years ago you would get the same answer, so too if you did the calculation in another 6,000 years.

 

[Dino246]

Our replies to each other are out of sync 🙂

Ok, imagine I want to use some other method to calculate the age of something.

Say the answer I got was 1,000,000 years or so as the age.
Let's say that in another 500,000 years, somebody else uses the same method to calculate the age again.

Now, by this point the age has increased by another 50%, so should yield a different result even using equipment that is not even especially accurate.

But what if the method still said it's 1,000,000 years old?

Well the method must be wrong, as the age it gives doesn't change with time - even huge changes in time.

Now, this is relevant because that's exactly what happens when trying to calculate the age of the Earth using the Bible.

Most people who believe the age of the Earth to be 6,000 (or thereabouts) don't even know how that conclusion is arrived at, they just believe it because the people around them believe it.

You would expect the calculation to produce a different result as time goes on, as the age of the Earth increases.
But the calculation used from the Bible doesn't do that.
If you did the calculation 300 years ago you would get the same answer, so too if you did the calculation in another 6,000 years.

Um, this is silly. The Bible isn't used to calculate the age of the earth until the present. It is used to calculate the amount of time between the creation of Adam and the coming of Christ. We use basic historical knowledge to calculate the elapsed time since then.

 

[Miri]

Just want to say something about all of this.

If you feel convicted or guilty about doing something, then for you,
you should not do it. Even if another person is not convicted.

I’m not talking about obvious things such a strange murder etc.
I mean other things.

I knew a person for example who was raised to believe watching TV on Sunday was
not honouring to God. So they didn’t watch TV on Sunday. Nothing wrong with
that if it bothers them, for all we know Satan might use it against that person if they
were to watch TV etc.

If they start being legalistic and telling/ judging others who did watch TV on Sunday it
would be an issue, but if it’s just a private matter they themselves do and they don’t
burden others with it. Then no one is harmed.

Everyone has some sort of tradition, do, don’t, etc that’s fine. No need to make
a big thing if it. If anything those who point the finger and jeer are the ones, at
fault. Don’t forget there are bible verses about not tripping up the weaker
brother and sister.

 

[Adam4Eve]

Um, this is silly. The Bible isn't used to calculate the age of the earth until the present. It is used to calculate the amount of time between the creation of Adam and the coming of Christ. We use basic historical knowledge to calculate the elapsed time since then.

Sigh.

Let's go through it then.
Show me the calculation.

 

[newton3003]

Why didn't the Jews accept Jesus?

***The Jews did accept Jesus. They were among his first disciples.

As for the rest of your post,

>a. "I don't drink tea or coffee because of the Bible"

***Actually, Jesus said it’s not what goes into a person that counts, it’s what comes out.

b. "I don't believe that life could exist elsewhere because of the Bible"

***Genesis 1:1 says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. This implies that He created the universe. We don’t know what He created or didn’t create in other parts of the universe, yet, anyway, including the possibility of life.

c. "I don't mind scary films, but I choose not to watch them because doing so gives glory to Satan"

***In Matthew 4:1-11, Jesus spends time with Satan, then he tells him to “Be gone…” In that time, Jesus doesn’t glorify Satan. So, unless you use the scary movies you spend time with as a template to glorify Satan or for turning to other gods or to commit other sins, I believe you won’t be losing any favor with God. After all, Jesus didn’t lose favor with Him when he spent time with Satan.

d. "I believe the world is of the order of 5,000 years old"

***Based on the Bible, you’re under by at least 700 years, but who’s counting?