I've lost faith in the church

You see people by their fruits.
Stop always being soooo judgemental.
If your in a church covering up abuse, take it to the police and stand up. No one should stay in abuse. Not everyone of the church is that way.

I don't care. I'm sick of all this flippant denial of holding people accountable in the name of forgiveness.

To be honest, I am a Christian, but the doctrine of forgiveness is a big problem for me. Grace and forgiveness may seem good at first glance, but in the end it defies justice, minimizes the gravest of sins, and ignores the need for accountability.

Sometimes, people need the threat of hell looming over them if the are to change.

I know the feeling.
Still it leaves it to us to stand up and bring justice or let God bring justice and expose what is happing. We aint supposed to run around like a headless chicken keeping silent. We need to step up. Why arent you stepping up in church

I'm just one person, and half the church population won't listen to me because I'm a woman, and in the eyes of many church people, a woman's preaching is not legit.

Since when does that matter. If stand up boldly and pray in God and expose them they will listen. And then more people will take their responsibility with them
What do u have to loose? Getting kicked out? Jesus took a whip and turned the tables.
Theres more churches if they kick u out. You being silent is allowing it just as much as the rest.

I don't care. I'm sick of all this flippant denial of holding people accountable in the name of forgiveness.

To be honest, I am a Christian, but the doctrine of forgiveness is a big problem for me. Grace and forgiveness may seem good at first glance, but in the end it defies justice, minimizes the gravest of sins, and ignores the need for accountability.

Sometimes, people need the threat of hell looming over them if the are to change.

This hasn't happened at my church. But if it ever does, I can guarantee that there will be hell to pay.

I know, I sound cynical, but that sometimes happens when you accept things as they are rather than how you want them to be.

I can understand


If there is a crime commited the Cops aren't gonna "forgive" are they?

The reason why blasphemy is the one unforgivable sin is because you (general you) are completely denying that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit exist. For reasons that only He knows, God finds that unforgivable. Why wouldn't He? After all, it's the equivalent of saying F you to Him.

All the sins you mentioned are horrific, indeed. But God can forgive those. He cannot, and will not, forgive those who deny His/their existence..

Yeah well, people tend to deny his existence by doing these things. Real Christians do not rape and murder.

Yes, indeed they do. Christians are not infallible or incapable of sin. Christians kill, rape, steal, have affairs, etc.. We can choose whether to sin or not. WHY some Christians choose to do the things I mentioned, is beyond my scope of understanding.

Blaspheming God is the ultimate "hell with you" to God. WHY He forgives such sins as rape, and murder, but not the awful sin of denying His existence is kind of obvious. Because it's denying that He exists, it's denying that Jesus lived and died for our sins, it's pretty much denying the good that God created.

Exactly. People need to be taught that if they mess up, it's on them. If they possess even an ounce of conscience, their missteps will haunt them. Their guilt will gnaw at them. No shortcuts to (self-)forgiveness exist.

I also have posted this once before, but I'll do it again here.

Someone answer this question for me. I will not accept platitudes or easy answers.

Of all the vile, despicable, wretched, evil acts that humankind can commit: murder, rape, torture, slavery, genocide, and child abuse, why exactly is blasphemy considered the ONLY unforgivable sin?

Why exactly is it that out of all the horrible ACTIONS that humans can commit, only WORDS are considered unforgivable?

Murder your fellow man? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Rape a woman? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Rape a child? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Torture a child? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Slaughter an entire people? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Enslave an entire population? No problem. Just believe and you'll be forgiven.

Deny God's existence? UNFORGIVABLE!!! YOU ARE DAMNED FOR ALL ETERNITY AND NO AMOUNT OF BELIEF OR PRAYER WILL SAVE YOU FROM GOD'S WRATH!!!

Why exactly is blasphemy the ONE unforgivable sin? I'm not asking the Bible, I'm asking YOU! I'm asking you reader, to THINK!

There's a difference between acknowledging we're not fallible and using that as an excuse to minimize grave and serious sin.

Church, is the body of Christ. If we all loved as we were called, we wouldn't need His Grace. I think humility and mercy are attributes of His that we, each and everyone of us, can all work more on.

Church, is the body of Christ. If we all loved as we were called, we wouldn't need His Grace. I think humility and mercy are attributes of His that we, each and everyone of us, can all work more on.