Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

But Jesus preach never ending truths.
Jesus' words didn't end when He rose from the dead and sat at the right hand of God the Father.
EVERY word of God MUST be fulfilled.
The law of faith from the old testament was carried into the new. It did not die away with the old.
for example, whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.
Both Jesus and Paul said that.

Paul states:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56 The legally enforceable law with the power to condemn for imperfections concerning it.
The law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12
God did not abolish what was holy just and good, he did not have to, to remove the power of sin from believers lives. He created a new covenant.
It is no longer an external law written on tablets of stone, but an internal law written on tablets of human hearts(2cor3:3), meaning in the believers heart they want to live as God desires them to live. God put what was holy, just and good in believers hearts. At the same time he did this, he gave believers a saviour from their sin/transgressions of the law. (Herb10:15-17)They have no righteousness of obeying the law. Believers cannot use this as a licence to sin, for they in their hearts want to live according to what is written in those commandments, for that is where the law has been placed.
With the penalty of sin being removed from the believer, the power of sin is also removed, what is left, is simply what is holy, just and good.
The born again christians heartfelt desire to obey(for that is where the law has been placed) can now come to fruition, for what opposes obedience(sin) was dealt a rushing blow by Christ dying to remove its true power from the believers life(righteousness of obeying the law, and so Paul states:
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law(righteousness of obeying the law) but under grace(through faith in Christ)
Hence
Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31
Great message Paul had isn't it

Romans has always been my favorite

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans is my favourite book to:
Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid! Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31

Paul states:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56 The legally enforceable law with the power to condemn for imperfections concerning it.
The law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12
God did not abolish what was holy just and good, he did not have to, to remove the power of sin from believers lives. He created a new covenant.
It is no longer an external law written on tablets of stone, but an internal law written on tablets of human hearts(2cor3:3), meaning in the believers heart they want to live as God desires them to live. God put what was holy, just and good in believers hearts. At the same time he did this, he gave believers a saviour from their sin/transgressions of the law. (Herb10:15-17)They have no righteousness of obeying the law. Believers cannot use this as a licence to sin, for they in their hearts want to live according to what is written in those commandments, for that is where the law has been placed.
With the penalty of sin being removed from the believer, the power of sin is also removed, what is left, is simply what is holy, just and good.
The born again christians heartfelt desire to obey(for that is where the law has been placed) can now come to fruition, for what opposes obedience(sin) was dealt a rushing blow by Christ dying to remove its true power from the believers life(righteousness of obeying the law, and so Paul states:
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law(righteousness of obeying the law) but under grace(through faith in Christ)
Hence
Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31
Great message Paul had isn't it

What were Christ’s words on the cross? It is finished, yes he fulfilled the law

Romans 7:12-25 King James Version (KJV)

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This demonstrates that I was right not to answer your question. You're baiting, and when you don't get the answer you like, you post this c**p.

You have no business posting comments about others. Respond to EG if you like, but what you have done here is simply spread gossip born from your own twisted agenda. This isn't a tabloid page.

Yes, Paul is human!

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

If I may, Paul was indeed human, and every human has their faults/weaknesses. Spurgeon once said, we should not elevate the Apostles to such a place that is not achieveable(or something like that)

But the verses you quoted are interesting. Paul stated in rom6:16:

Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey – whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness

In ch7:14 he states:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

Is Paul condemning himself, if he is speaking of his Christian life in ch7:14?

In ch6:17 Paul states:
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.
So if Paul the Christian is being spoken of in 7:14, are his readers living far holier lives than he is?

Paul's core message of grace and law was:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14
The man mentioned in 7:14-24 was assuredly a slave to sin, he said he was. A slave always has a master. So if sin was Paul's master in ch7:14-24, and he is speaking of his Christian life, that would seem at odds with his statement in 6:14. Let us not forget, in 7:14-24, he said he had the desire to do what was good but could not carry it out. He did not say, sometimes he did good and sometimes he did not did he
He could not do the good he wanted to do, but the evil he did not want to do this he kept on doing. Could Paul the Christian, living under grace not do any good when he wanted to do it? Its hard for me to accept that, when we take all his writings into account.
Of course, he does speak in the present tense, but then, people have said in those days present tense was often used when speaking of past events.
And of course, people will say if you believe saul the Pharisee is being spoken of you are proclaiming Christians are or must live perfect lives. That thought would not occur to me. But possibly, Christians live somewhere in the middle as it were, they are not always defeated, but neither are they anywhere near perfect. Just a view observations

If I may, Paul was indeed human, and every human has their faults/weaknesses. Spurgeon once said, we should not elevate the Apostles to such a place that is not achieveable(or something like that)

But the verses you quoted are interesting. Paul stated in rom6:16:

Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey – whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness

In ch7:14 he states:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

Is Paul condemning himself, if he is speaking of his Christian life in ch7:14?

In ch6:17 Paul states:
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.
So if Paul the Christian is being spoken of in 7:14, are his readers living far holier lives than he is?

Paul's core message of grace and law was:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14
The man mentioned in 7:14-24 was assuredly a slave to sin, he said he was. A slave always has a master. So if sin was Paul's master in ch7:14-24, and he is speaking of his Christian life, that would seem at odds with his statement in 6:14. Let us not forget, in 7:14-24, he said he had the desire to do what was good but could not carry it out. He did not say, sometimes he did good and sometimes he did not did he
He could not do the good he wanted to do, but the evil he did not want to do this he kept on doing. Could Paul the Christian, living under grace not do any good when he wanted to do it? Its hard for me to accept that, when we take all his writings into account.
Of course, he does speak in the present tense, but then, people have said in those days present tense was often used when speaking of past events.
And of course, people will say if you believe saul the Pharisee is being spoken of you are proclaiming Christians are or must live perfect lives. That thought would not occur to me. But possibly, Christians live somewhere in the middle as it were, they are not always defeated, but neither are they anywhere near perfect. Just a view observations

That is a fair observation, but if we are to consider, that Paul was speaking in the past tense, for this narrative, what is to say, he was speaking in the present tense for that narrative......if we do not consider the scripture



If your interested, i would like to go back to Romans 1:1 kjv, I would be happy to study with you....we can go through it together

Just going to throw this out there and watch your debate. How are we aware of any post salvation sins? Like the ones 1 John 1:9 says we are to confess?
Thanks in advance.

P.s. if (and it is) the word heart is primarily used of our thinking, how does that fit in?

Outside of the internet, where people live their lives not dominated by ''theology'' almost all Christians would tell you, that if they stole, committed adultery, bore false witness, coveted they would be conscious they sinned by doing any of those things, and they would not tell you they were only conscious they did not love as they should. And, most on the internet, if they were honest would say the same. But the reality is not always peoples pet theologies. Theology can often be devoid of reality sadly. And biblical facts can often be overlooked, or ignored in the quest for understanding, or to cling to preconceived beliefs.
If you know in your mind such as mentioned is sin, and would have heartfelt conviction such was sin, that can only be because you are conscious of such sin through law placed within you.
And when people then say you are following law based salvation, condemnation under the law, it can only be through a failure to understand the very core foundation upon which the new covenant stands. That covenant states the law will be written in your mind and placed on your heart, and, your sins/transgression of the law will be remembered no more. If your transgressions will be remembered no more, you cannot be under the law of sin and death, that is not possible. You cannot be under the laws condemnation. You cannot be under righteousness of obeying the law/works of the law

They are one and the same.
One cannot enter into the kingdom of God without receiving the Gospel of Christ.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Till all be fulfilled......
Is all fulfilled?

The word fulfil in verse 17 = plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

some of these words can be used to say Jesus came to do away with the law but many of the words can mean that Jesus came to uplift the law.
The opposite of destroy is to preserve.
I am not come to destroy, but to ..... finish the law, expire the law, end the law, these words don't fit.

I am not come to destroy, but to ..... replete = filled or well-supplied with something.

synonyms: filled, full, well stocked, well supplied, well provided, crammed, crowded, packed, jammed, stuffed, teeming, overflowing, bursting, brimful, brimming, loaded, overloaded, thick, solid, charged, abounding; More

Outside of the internet, where people live their lives not dominated by ''theology'' almost all Christians would tell you, that if they stole, committed adultery, bore false witness, coveted they would be conscious they sinned by doing any of those things, and they would not tell you they were only conscious they did not love as they should. And, most on the internet, if they were honest would say the same. But the reality is not always peoples pet theologies. Theology can often be devoid of reality sadly. And biblical facts can often be overlooked, or ignored in the quest for understanding, or to cling to preconceived beliefs.
If you know in your mind such as mentioned is sin, and would have heartfelt conviction such was sin, that can only be because you are conscious of such sin through law placed within you.
And when people then say you are following law based salvation, condemnation under the law, it can only be through a failure to understand the very core foundation upon which the new covenant stands. That covenant states the law will be written in your mind and placed on your heart, and, your sins/transgression of the law will be remembered no more. If your transgressions will be remembered no more, you cannot be under the law of sin and death, that is not possible. You cannot be under the laws condemnation. You cannot be under righteousness of obeying the law/works of the law

I am afraid it is farcical really. Grandpa states the law points out sin, and he is correct of course. Now in the real world, 99 percent of Christians would say if they committed adultery, bore false witness, coveted, stole, took the Lords name in vain, sin will be pointed out to them/they will be conscious of sin. But apparently, what was stated is not really true, for law relating to the ten commandments is not placed within the Christian.
The internet is fun at times, and obviously should not be taken tooo seriously