Not By Works

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how 'bout this=

since you are not going to answer my question, then stop demanding others answer yours.

fairness. honesty. these are things called Christian values .

look them up sometimes, might be helpful...

how 'bout this=

since you are not going to answer my question, then stop demanding others answer yours.

fairness. honesty. these are things called Christian values .

look them up sometimes, might be helpful...

did you know that in Jude it says "to Him who is ABLE TO KEEP YOU from stumbling"?

And what about this:

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

^thats in Peter's epistle. Why does it say kept by the power of God?

Isnt it up to us to maintain our salvation?

As you know where I stand, we in PRACTICAL APPLICATION agree on repentance.
Where we would differ is: I believe repentance and faith are GIFTS from God. I believe God starts and finishes our salvation. And what makes me sad is that I feel like you are leaving God out of the picture completely AFTER salvation.

I feel like your message is:
God saves you, but then its sink or swim buddy.

Here is my suggestion to you: Take all the verses about obedience, about putting your hand to the plow and not looking back, entering through the narrow gate, all that. And COMBINE THEM with the God who is working in you verses and who is able to keep you, nothing can separate you, sheep know His voice and nothing shall take them from the Father's hand etc.

Work out your own salvation AND then it says: For it is GOD who works in you to do and will........

Again, i think it is just a game to them, see how angry they can get people to get them to scew up ang get them banned,

Wish people would just ignore them

Gosh. You're starting to sound a little calvinistic...
BUT...

How could you possibly think the above after that long post I sent you?
How could you possibley think the above without ASKING me what I think about it?
I don't assume things about people --- I ask and try to understand them.

WE ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD.
Right.
Why did Jesus go away so He could send the Holy Spirit?
John 16:7

Isn't the Holy Spirit God?
Isn't He our comforter?
Our paraclete?
Does He not convict us of sin?
Help us to walk with God Father?

Jesus said WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.
John 15:5b

I tend to worry more about persons that say they are saved but are afraid to say that they MUST obey God since this is what the entire bible says, starting with Genesis.

God starts and finishes our salvation IF WE ALLOW HIM to.
We have to cooperate with Him and follow His lead and obey His will for us; whatever it may be and as often as we can.

As far as nothing being able to separate us, if you notice it says nothing can separate us...
but we can WALK AWAY from God if we so desire.

Our free will was not taken away at salvation.
It was our desire to be saved
and it can be our desire to abandon God completely.

The sheep know His voice....
I'm just listening to that voice.

As far as nothing being able to separate us, if you notice it says nothing can separate us...
but we can WALK AWAY from God if we so desire.

To me...foreknown and freewill do not reconcile.

That is one of the reasons why I prefer the term self will over free will. Self will is evident from Genesis onwards...

The kettle calling the pot black.

Anyway,,, THIS is snarky:

PennEd says:
No. I'm good. Thanks for asking though.

Discourteous
Sarcastic

And if you're going to call me an unpleasant verb, please post my comment,
just as I did in your case.

Thanks.

Sure. Here is the passage in question. My remarks in BOLD.

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes WHERE IS HE COMING TO? in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. I CONTEND HE IS COMING TO EARTH AND SIT ON HIS EARTHLY THRONE IN JERUSALEM 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You? ARE CHRISTIANS TODAY UNAWARE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TO DO? THESE PEOPLE SEEM COMPLETELY UNAWARE. 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did unto one of the least of these JESUS IS MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHO HE IS ADDRESSING, AND HIS BRETHREN, WHY AREN'T THEY ALL HIS BRETHREN? My brethren, you did it to Me. I CONTEND HE WAS REFERRING TO HIS PHYSICAL BRETHREN, THE "YOU", I BELIEVE, ARE THE GENTILES THAT WERE SAVED DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION, AND AIDED THE JEWS WHO CAME TO BELIEVE IN JESUS DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION. OTHER BELIEVERS HAD ALREADY BEEN RAPTURED.

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I expect a decent amount here to commence in tearing their clothes and sitting in ashes as they bash my assessment.

*insert free will*

Nothing can separate us from God.. except free will.

God finishes and starts our salvation, unless of course, free will.

Thats one thing even an Almighty Allpowerful God just wont step on! Human free will.

Well you know what, hats off to you for being consistent in your position. If you can will your way in, you should be able to will your way out.

Then you are saying that OSAS is not a true doctrine, but those saved will be the ones that take care of Jesus's physical brethren? Am I right?

Wrong

Faith saves

Mere belief or a dead faith does not

True faith will always be accompanied by works

Fake faith or dead faith will not.

Amen to that!
i'm happy to know you agree...some believe we lose our free will when we become saved again.
This would mean that God holds us hostage...