How do I lose my SALVATION?

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RickyZ

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Lose is the wrong word. No, one cannot lose their salvation. It's not like a set of car keys.

You are free, however, to hand the keys back. God won't handcuff you to the steering wheel. The point at which He does is the point He can no longer trust that you are in the car voluntarily.
 

carl11

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God doesnt force anyone to stay saved...
Theres a great falling away..U cant fall away from something without having been in it before...
That is a great point in that in order to lose something we had to have it beforehand. Unfortunately that is looking at it from a humanly perspective and yet when God says whom the Son sets free is free [Jn. 8:36]. When he sets us free we are free from the bondage of Sin, we have become a Child of God and yet we can not lose the inheritance that he has given to us because if that were so he would be considered a liar and we know that Bible say's let ever man be a liar but let God be true. [Rom. 6:18, 3:4]

Likewise we should also remember that Christ died once unto sin and not multiple times, for one to somehow lose their salvation then there would be the necessity of Christ to do it all over again, which to think about it if this person was to somehow lose again lets say a third time or a fourth time....etc, just think of the ramifications of what Christ what have to do over and over again. [Heb. 10:1-12]
 

Rightlydivided

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God doesnt force anyone to stay saved...
Theres a great falling away..U cant fall away from something without having been in it before...
Could you ever claim to “not” be your fathers daughter? Even if you spoke it? Do you not screw up? Does that change anything? When you believe, you are sealed..
 

Lanolin

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I think you can try running away but Gods gonna look out for you anyway..because He doesnt forget you.
But why would you want to run from Him? He always gives us a way out of temptation. Why would he rescue you just to hand you back to .satan? Or why would anyone want to fall back into sin again? Why, after being washed clean, would you then put on your old rags/sackcloth and ashes when Hes got a garment of praise waiting for you?

This is why a fool will say there is no God. Because only a fool cannot see just how much God loves His people.
 

Demi777

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Could you ever claim to “not” be your fathers daughter? Even if you spoke it? Do you not screw up? Does that change anything? When you believe, you are sealed..
I wasnt speaking about myself. But there are people who leave God.
 

Demi777

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That is a great point in that in order to lose something we had to have it beforehand. Unfortunately that is looking at it from a humanly perspective and yet when God says whom the Son sets free is free [Jn. 8:36]. When he sets us free we are free from the bondage of Sin, we have become a Child of God and yet we can not lose the inheritance that he has given to us because if that were so he would be considered a liar and we know that Bible say's let ever man be a liar but let God be true. [Rom. 6:18, 3:4]

Likewise we should also remember that Christ died once unto sin and not multiple times, for one to somehow lose their salvation then there would be the necessity of Christ to do it all over again, which to think about it if this person was to somehow lose again lets say a third time or a fourth time....etc, just think of the ramifications of what Christ what have to do over and over again. [Heb. 10:1-12]
It wouldnt make Jesus a liar. No one can take you from him but yourself and God doesnt reject people anymore. Cherry picking bible verses without looking at the full picture and ALL verses (including BOTH sides) will only lead to debate and one sided opinions.
Jesus is clear that u can loose your salvation but if you choose him and choose to remain in him you are safe. If you along the way want to leave, you are not forced to stay in the kingdom of light.
But the consequences aint good
 

lightbearer

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That is a great point in that in order to lose something we had to have it beforehand. Unfortunately that is looking at it from a humanly perspective and yet when God says whom the Son sets free is free [Jn. 8:36]. When he sets us free we are free from the bondage of Sin, we have become a Child of God and yet we can not lose the inheritance that he has given to us because if that were so he would be considered a liar and we know that Bible say's let ever man be a liar but let God be true. [Rom. 6:18, 3:4]

Likewise we should also remember that Christ died once unto sin and not multiple times, for one to somehow lose their salvation then there would be the necessity of Christ to do it all over again, which to think about it if this person was to somehow lose again lets say a third time or a fourth time....etc, just think of the ramifications of what Christ what have to do over and over again. [Heb. 10:1-12]
Hebrews is a big letter.
Losing our salvation is in respects to grieving the prodding of the Holy Spirit. Christ through the Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts. The word of GOD through Christ dwells in our hearts and mouths. The law through Christ is in our hearts and minds. We are a new creature in Christ Jesus. Old things have passed away; behold all things have become new and are of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Therefore....... if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.... But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

(Heb 10:26-30,39)
 

Sketch

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Great question... Did he? Show me where he did...
Are you asking about the denial (rooster crow) or Peter losing his salvation? After Christ's resurrection the women who visited the tomb to find it empty were given this message by the angel there. Look who is included by name. Peter probably felt that he had lost his salvation, but he was sent a message that included him. (as encouragement)

Mark 16:7
But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”
 

Sketch

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Lose is the wrong word. No, one cannot lose their salvation. It's not like a set of car keys.

You are free, however, to hand the keys back. God won't handcuff you to the steering wheel. The point at which He does is the point He can no longer trust that you are in the car voluntarily.
I agree completely.
God gave us salvation, only he can take it away.
We cannot by an act of our own free will undo what only God could do in the first place.
 

Sketch

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I think you can try running away but Gods gonna look out for you anyway..because He doesnt forget you.
But why would you want to run from Him? He always gives us a way out of temptation. Why would he rescue you just to hand you back to .satan? Or why would anyone want to fall back into sin again? Why, after being washed clean, would you then put on your old rags/sackcloth and ashes when Hes got a garment of praise waiting for you?

This is why a fool will say there is no God. Because only a fool cannot see just how much God loves His people.
People don't walk away from God when things are going well.
Turning our back on God comes from a great disappointment with life and a blaming of God.
Or possibly when someone is deluded by false teaching against God.
Any young person that attends a secular college is at risk.
 

Hevosmies

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There are many in this class, unfortunately....
I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!
 

mailmandan

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Hebrews is a big letter. Losing our salvation is in respects to grieving the prodding of the Holy Spirit. Christ through the Holy Spirit dwells in our hearts.
In Ephesians 4:30, Paul said - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption. Nothing there about losing salvation.

The word of GOD through Christ dwells in our hearts and mouths. The law through Christ is in our hearts and minds. We are a new creature in Christ Jesus. Old things have passed away; behold all things have become new and are of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
Philippians 1:6 - being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Therefore....... if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.... But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

(Heb 10:26-30,39)
In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved. A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but who has committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew community of Christians was superficial and that he himself was not a genuine believer.
 

Rightlydivided

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I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!
It’s ok Hevo, recognizing that Peter spoke of a gift, contrary to what he understood, may only be revealed to you under similar circumstances....better late than never. God Bless
 

John146

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I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!
Yet, not one on here has shown Scripture from the four gospels where the disciples were going around preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom only to fellow Jews.

Paul never preached works to prove salvation.
 

Rightlydivided

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I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!

When Peter, James and the other deciples, were breaking bread with the gentiles (you), your actions toward those that put Paul’s message in the light of truth, are not unlike the discontent Peter had for the gentiles at Antioch, and the gift that Peter, whom seemed to be a Pillar, perceived they were given, through the revelation of Paul. (Not Peter, not the twelve) It was a hard pill to swallow for Peter and the others..To provoke Jealousy, was the intended measure.....and cleary it was discerned.
 

Rightlydivided

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I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!
If your not going to accept, that Paul and only Paul was given the salvation message of today, you will continue to be jealous of those that do, which only leads to destruction (Peters words)...as is displayed in your posts.
 

preacher4truth

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I know right. Especially that Rightlydivided guy. Did you hear that he basically throws away the gospels and claims Paul brought a different gospel? Even after being shown Paul preached repentance and faith and told to PROVE your repentance by your WORKS (works meet for repentance) he still continues in this error

Some people these days..... Oy vey!
I'd supply evidence that Paul preached the same Gospel as Christ, showing how the teachings harmonize, proving the same Gospel Christ preached is the same one by whom all are saved. But it would be a waste of time and prove unprofitable due to the errant views of many on here. Our newest heretic with his two Gospel teaching would only distort these truths even further in his self-deception.
 

John146

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I'd supply evidence that Paul preached the same Gospel as Christ, showing how the teachings harmonize, proving the same Gospel Christ preached is the same one by whom all are saved. But it would be a waste of time and prove unprofitable due to the errant views of many on here. Our newest heretic with his two Gospel teaching would only distort these truths even further in his self-deception.
Christ prophesied of His death, burial and resurrection (which is the gospel unto salvation), but the disciples didn't have a clue.

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.


Imagine today, someone preaching the gospel unto salvation and having no clue of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection for sins.
 

Rightlydivided

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I'd supply evidence that Paul preached the same Gospel as Christ, showing how the teachings harmonize, proving the same Gospel Christ preached is the same one by whom all are saved. But it would be a waste of time and prove unprofitable due to the errant views of many on here. Our newest heretic with his two Gospel teaching would only distort these truths even further in his self-deception.
No, you won’t...you will paste everything you have before, in the same conduct you did before, showing the same vitriol behavior to anyone who disagrees with you, just like before
 

Lanolin

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People don't walk away from God when things are going well.
Turning our back on God comes from a great disappointment with life and a blaming of God.
Or possibly when someone is deluded by false teaching against God.
Any young person that attends a secular college is at risk.
Your last point, can you explain. A young person attending a secular college. Why college?
What about a young person exposed to all the world through all the trash on tv? Or secular 'music'They dont have to afford to go to a secular college to be at risk... there have been suicides by young people who never even attended a college... and I do know of one suicide by an older person who attended a bible college.

Plus when I attended a secular college there were christians there who were evangelising as well. What about public primary (elementary) schools. Or godless high schools.

Woulndnt the youngest ones be the most at risk...because of paedophilia. There have been cases where principals have been sex offenders...and even in certain churches and youth groups. And even within families...probably more so, as thats when offences happen the most, not when people go away, but in their own families. And they cannot report it, because its their own family. It could be their own parent, step parent, uncle or even brother.