If you insist on making salvation dependent on Sabbath keeping you are insisting that God is doing something that is ONLY in your mind. You simply can't order God to do things your way, God created you and that creation is done. You either learn about it or refuse to learn but you can't change creation or God.
Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?
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Two distinct things being spoken of in Hebrews four. The Rest which is the Gospel and the Seventh Day. HE speaks again of the Seventh Day if we have entered into His Rest, the Gospel.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For (because) unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed DO enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel): although the works were finished (came to be) from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, IF they shall enter into my rest.
(Heb 4:1-5 KJV)
For we which have believed DO enter into rest, though the works of this rest. If we do enter into HIS rest, the Gospel HE speaks again on the Seventh Day on this wise. And GOD did rest from all HIS works.
How does HE speak of it?
There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)
How doe we cease from our own works?
As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not worship or keep the day holy. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest. HE STOPPED WORKING. Plain and simple. So we stop working.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For (because) unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed DO enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel): although the works were finished (came to be) from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, IF they shall enter into my rest.
(Heb 4:1-5 KJV)
For we which have believed DO enter into rest, though the works of this rest. If we do enter into HIS rest, the Gospel HE speaks again on the Seventh Day on this wise. And GOD did rest from all HIS works.
How does HE speak of it?
There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:9-10 KJV)
How doe we cease from our own works?
As GOD did from HIS. That is the REST we are to enter. HE stopped working on the Seventh Day. So we stop working on the Seventh Day. That is how GOD did from HIS. He did not worship or keep the day holy. He is Holy and so are we through the Gospel Rest. HE STOPPED WORKING. Plain and simple. So we stop working.
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YES. We can stop working for our salvation.
Heb 4 Verse 4
The Fathers rest began on the 7th day when His physical work of creation was completed. Now the work of salvation is completed we can rest not in our own works but in Christs finished work.
Verse 5 tells us that back then the day of rest was still future.
Verse 7 “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” [Do not harden your hearts against the message "Jesus saves."]
Verse 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. [The later day of rest is the day Christ rose from the grave, conquering sin and death. His work finished, we can rest in Christ's finished work of salvation.]
Verse 9-10 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. [We can rest from our own works for salvation, and simply rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.]
Verse 11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. [Disobedience G543 apeitheia unbelief]
Heb 4 Verse 4
The Fathers rest began on the 7th day when His physical work of creation was completed. Now the work of salvation is completed we can rest not in our own works but in Christs finished work.
Verse 5 tells us that back then the day of rest was still future.
Verse 7 “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” [Do not harden your hearts against the message "Jesus saves."]
Verse 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. [The later day of rest is the day Christ rose from the grave, conquering sin and death. His work finished, we can rest in Christ's finished work of salvation.]
Verse 9-10 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. [We can rest from our own works for salvation, and simply rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.]
Verse 11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. [Disobedience G543 apeitheia unbelief]
Apparently this “Sabbath” issue keeps coming up on a regular basis for discussion. The bottom line is very simple, it was given to Israel, not the gentiles.
The first mention of God resting was in Genesis. No where is it stated it was a mandatory rest for anyone, till exodus where God gave some laws to Moses, for the new nation.
Is that hard to see?
I will post this and I’m done. Anyone who adds ANYTHING, to the finished work of Christ for salvation, is a lawbreaker.
Anything post salvation involves rewards or loss of rewards, period.
When the people of Israel were delivered out of slavery in Egypt, God gave them the Sabbath law. The law was that they should not work on the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Ezekiel 20:10-12 – "Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." Exodus 16 records how God gave them manna to eat. At the same time he gave them the Sabbath law, that they should not gather manna on the Sabbath. In Exodus 20, when God gave the ten commandments, he expanded the law of the Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-10 – "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
The important thing to remember about this is that the Sabbath law was given to the Jews. The Bible does not record that anyone else was ever commanded to keep the Sabbath. God sanctified the seventh day at creation (Genesis 2:1-3). But we never see anyone commanded to keep the Sabbath until the time of Israel. Seventh Day Adventists still try to keep the Sabbath law.
The first mention of God resting was in Genesis. No where is it stated it was a mandatory rest for anyone, till exodus where God gave some laws to Moses, for the new nation.
Is that hard to see?
I will post this and I’m done. Anyone who adds ANYTHING, to the finished work of Christ for salvation, is a lawbreaker.
Anything post salvation involves rewards or loss of rewards, period.
When the people of Israel were delivered out of slavery in Egypt, God gave them the Sabbath law. The law was that they should not work on the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Ezekiel 20:10-12 – "Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." Exodus 16 records how God gave them manna to eat. At the same time he gave them the Sabbath law, that they should not gather manna on the Sabbath. In Exodus 20, when God gave the ten commandments, he expanded the law of the Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-10 – "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
The important thing to remember about this is that the Sabbath law was given to the Jews. The Bible does not record that anyone else was ever commanded to keep the Sabbath. God sanctified the seventh day at creation (Genesis 2:1-3). But we never see anyone commanded to keep the Sabbath until the time of Israel. Seventh Day Adventists still try to keep the Sabbath law.
No mention of the covenants arose from me. MY only concern is people who do not realize we who believe Jesus Christ are the Eternal Israel of God with the New Jerusalem our City.
What is much worse is if one reading the Word does not realize the Israel of god is that "uccessfule" and eternal one populated by the Childrenof God, they will never understand proph¡ecy in the Old Testament. Thefirst Israel was a failure, by design, so that all could be saved.
The Childre of Israel, while in the wilderness were disobedient and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations. Know this, and do not fear believeing just who we are become.
What is much worse is if one reading the Word does not realize the Israel of god is that "uccessfule" and eternal one populated by the Childrenof God, they will never understand proph¡ecy in the Old Testament. Thefirst Israel was a failure, by design, so that all could be saved.
The Childre of Israel, while in the wilderness were disobedient and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations. Know this, and do not fear believeing just who we are become.
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Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."
...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks
...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks
The key is there are two kinds of Sabbaths. Ceremonial and non ceremonial. One time sensitive and the other not. Two different purposes.
The Sabbath a ceremonial fast is a day set aside that person can do the work of bringing the gospel into the world, a day set aside from the regular routine according to the kind of fast that the disciples knew not of. And therefore not a day of rest to find pleasure and relax from the cares of the world. It has turned into that in many cases but that is clearly not the intention of God setting aside one day a week .
But again the kind of prayer and fasting that Christ used to cast out lying spirits that did work to dispel the demons from trying prevent the gospel of faith from being heard. The disciples did not mix faith in what they understood . Because of their unbelief (no faith) This is important because it is used to help explain to non time sensitive Sabbath in Hebrew 4.
Matthew 17:20-22 King James Version (KJV)And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief:(no faith) for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
The Sabbath described in Hebrew 4 was personal between the believer and God. And when hearing God as he gives us His faith our hearts become soft. And again in verse 6 the Holy Spirit emphasizes that those to whom the rest was first preached entered not in because of unbelief
no mixing faith). There hearts remined hard no Sabbath restThe Sabbath rest comes when we do attribute to God as the one that does bring to our minds that which he has taught us. Again the work of God working with us softens our heart so that we can believe as he works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure.
Non time sensitive 24/7 called today.
Hebrews 4:1-7 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Failure to distinguish from shadows and the literal is where things get turned upside down and some men seek to worship the things seen shadows and not the unseen hidden in various parables.
Parts of that law were used as a shadow as do all ceremonial laws used in a ceremony setting. The other that which kills showing all men fall short of the glory of God it will be around as long as today is still called today.
One way to look at the differences has to do with parables used to hide the spiritual meaning.
If we look at the two renderings Exodus 2 and the Deuteronomy 5.... two different reasons are given in separate parables.
One in respect to creation and the other as picture of the gospel moving the Jew from the bondage of this world typified by Egypt to a promised place.
Moral law do not offer a spiritual understanding hid from natural man as the letter of the law they will serve their purpose until the new heavens and earth appear.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Exodus20:9-11
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.Deuteronomy5:13-15
Parts of that law were used as a shadow as do all ceremonial laws used in a ceremony setting. The other that which kills showing all men fall short of the glory of God it will be around as long as today is still called today.
One way to look at the differences has to do with parables used to hide the spiritual meaning.
If we look at the two renderings Exodus 2 and the Deuteronomy 5.... two different reasons are given in separate parables.
One in respect to creation and the other as picture of the gospel moving the Jew from the bondage of this world typified by Egypt to a promised place.
Moral law do not offer a spiritual understanding hid from natural man as the letter of the law they will serve their purpose until the new heavens and earth appear.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Exodus20:9-11
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.Deuteronomy5:13-15
There Is spiritual rest and there Is physical rest.JESUS said that HE Is the Sabbath.
JESUS also said the words that I speak,they are Spirit and they are life.
Are you looking at keeping the Sabbath physically.
It's good for a person to rest up physically but what would you think of a person who Is resting on a Saturday,
but they are worried about something so much that they aren't really resting.Someone might say,well today Is Saturday so I'm resting,but are they really resting on the Inside,It's just another Pharisee way of keeping up the OUTWARD appearances.
It wouldn't be a good thing If JESUS came walking around the corner and a Sabbath keeper ran and hugged the shadow of JESUS rather than JESUS himself.
JESUS also said the words that I speak,they are Spirit and they are life.
Are you looking at keeping the Sabbath physically.
It's good for a person to rest up physically but what would you think of a person who Is resting on a Saturday,
but they are worried about something so much that they aren't really resting.Someone might say,well today Is Saturday so I'm resting,but are they really resting on the Inside,It's just another Pharisee way of keeping up the OUTWARD appearances.
It wouldn't be a good thing If JESUS came walking around the corner and a Sabbath keeper ran and hugged the shadow of JESUS rather than JESUS himself.
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I simply do not believe that any time the word rest is used in scripture it means only one thing. There is rest in the Lord, there is rest from our labors to supply our earthly needs, there is even a rest from much talk that it could be. It is up to us to divide the word properly, to find the kind of rest that word in scripture is referring to.
The Sabbath rest is a rest from our daily labor. We can rest in Christ and give Him the work of our salvation, that is an entirely different rest.
We are speaking of the word rest as a verb and applying it to the Sabbath limiting it to the way we are to keep the Sabbath. Everything else is changing the subject.
The Sabbath rest is a rest from our daily labor. We can rest in Christ and give Him the work of our salvation, that is an entirely different rest.
We are speaking of the word rest as a verb and applying it to the Sabbath limiting it to the way we are to keep the Sabbath. Everything else is changing the subject.
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Yes, I'm sure you are convinced that God gave you something special I am not a babe in Christ, nor a babe in years either.
I am indignant that the faith of the apostles as taught to them by Jesus Christ has been so mutilated that the message of the extent of man's fallen nature has been diluted man to isn't quite himself.......that the sovereignty of God is the all loving Father who just wants a little attention from His creation, Jesus Christ is a "buddy" and the Holy Spirit is the Santa Clause of the godhead that passes out special gifts to special people in the sign gifts of speaking in tongues, new prophecies, etc.
And that is the reason I push those doctrines of grace that are the solid foundation of all theology.
They are the key to understanding and maturity in the faith. Historically they are the only doctrines of the church and stood fast against those ravening wolves who would pervert truth.
It's probably like pushing back the ocean.....one teaspoon full at a time.
I am indignant that the faith of the apostles as taught to them by Jesus Christ has been so mutilated that the message of the extent of man's fallen nature has been diluted man to isn't quite himself.......that the sovereignty of God is the all loving Father who just wants a little attention from His creation, Jesus Christ is a "buddy" and the Holy Spirit is the Santa Clause of the godhead that passes out special gifts to special people in the sign gifts of speaking in tongues, new prophecies, etc.
And that is the reason I push those doctrines of grace that are the solid foundation of all theology.
They are the key to understanding and maturity in the faith. Historically they are the only doctrines of the church and stood fast against those ravening wolves who would pervert truth.
It's probably like pushing back the ocean.....one teaspoon full at a time.
Marvelous prose, but a little bit off the mark. A little bit is all it takes.
Do you realize all those gifts given beleivers is the product of God's grace? I have never accomplished anything for myself or for God, but He ahs graced me to do a little, not much, a little to accomplish His works for some.........I pray you understand that grace is teh manner of receiving those gifts of teh Hoy Spirit, and I hope you are not devaluing thm simply becaue yu may or may not have experienced the wonder of being used as a vesse for His will.....God bless you now ad always. Do not concern yourself with others being used by God's grace, it is His power exercised in this age...
Do you realize all those gifts given beleivers is the product of God's grace? I have never accomplished anything for myself or for God, but He ahs graced me to do a little, not much, a little to accomplish His works for some.........I pray you understand that grace is teh manner of receiving those gifts of teh Hoy Spirit, and I hope you are not devaluing thm simply becaue yu may or may not have experienced the wonder of being used as a vesse for His will.....God bless you now ad always. Do not concern yourself with others being used by God's grace, it is His power exercised in this age...