Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

Oftentimes I hear people sharing the gospel and they talk to people about how all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (I.e., we’ve all transgressed the law), and we need to have faith in Christ’s work (sinless life, shed blood, death (propitiatiary sacrifice), burial, and resurrection) to receive His righteousness to be made right with God, to have our sins forgiven through His sacrifice, which is all true, but that law that we’ve all transgressed (that was our schoolmaster), if we’re no longer under it (some would say we are but it seems to me we’re not, that we’re under grace now) then when we say we don’t want to continue sinning because we’ve turned to Christ (repenting of sin), if we sin now unintentionally, what law are we breaking? This is what I wonder about ceremonial law, God’s moral law, etc., because if I was once a thief but don’t steal anymore because I love God, are we not still under the law of Christ which is love God and others? So stealing would be something not do to because it’s a moral law? Because it’s wrapped up in love thy neighbour, and so that commandment still applies. So it seems to me that the Sabbatarian argument comes down to whether God’s command to love Him with all we are includes keeping the Sabbath. Others can speculate about future blue laws and read it as a mark, but the question is whether Sabbath-keeping would be included in “love the Lord....” else why would you not continue to steal and dishonour mother and father, etc.? This is an honest question I have, again I’m not SDA thanks

So it seems to me that the Sabbatarian argument comes down to whether God’s command to love Him with all we are includes keeping the Sabbath. Others can speculate about future blue laws and read it as a mark, but the question is whether Sabbath-keeping would be included in “love the Lord....” else why would you not continue to steal and dishonour mother and father, etc.? This is an honest question I have, again I’m not SDA thanks

How does sabbath keeping equate to loving God when as shown in Exodus it was a covenant sign between God and the nation of Israel while that covenant was still standing?

"between Me and the sons of Israel it is a sign"

Maybe you could love God using sign language seeing as the arguments presented so far have fallen on deaf ears View attachment 192587

Keeping sabbath and the Law with the mindset that doing so plays a part in our salvation is Works salvation..

Oftentimes I hear people sharing the gospel and they talk to people about how all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (I.e., we’ve all transgressed the law), and we need to have faith in Christ’s work (sinless life, shed blood, death (propitiatiary sacrifice), burial, and resurrection) to receive His righteousness to be made right with God, to have our sins forgiven through His sacrifice, which is all true, but that law that we’ve all transgressed (that was our schoolmaster), if we’re no longer under it (some would say we are but it seems to me we’re not, that we’re under grace now) then when we say we don’t want to continue sinning because we’ve turned to Christ (repenting of sin), if we sin now unintentionally, what law are we breaking? This is what I wonder about ceremonial law, God’s moral law, etc., because if I was once a thief but don’t steal anymore because I love God, are we not still under the law of Christ which is love God and others? So stealing would be something not to do because it’s a moral law? Because it’s wrapped up in love thy neighbour, and so that commandment still applies. So it seems to me that the Sabbatarian argument comes down to whether God’s command to love Him with all we are includes keeping the Sabbath. Others can speculate about future blue laws and read it as a mark, but the question is whether Sabbath-keeping would be included in “love the Lord....” else why would you not continue to steal and dishonour mother and father, etc.? This is an honest question I have, again I’m not SDA thanks

Oftentimes I hear people sharing the gospel and they talk to people about how all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (I.e., we’ve all transgressed the law), and we need to have faith in Christ’s work (sinless life, shed blood, death (propitiatiary sacrifice), burial, and resurrection) to receive His righteousness to be made right with God, to have our sins forgiven through His sacrifice, which is all true, but that law that we’ve all transgressed (that was our schoolmaster), if we’re no longer under it (some would say we are but it seems to me we’re not, that we’re under grace now) then when we say we don’t want to continue sinning because we’ve turned to Christ (repenting of sin), if we sin now unintentionally, what law are we breaking? This is what I wonder about ceremonial law, God’s moral law, etc., because if I was once a thief but don’t steal anymore because I love God, are we not still under the law of Christ which is love God and others? So stealing would be something not to do because it’s a moral law? Because it’s wrapped up in love thy neighbour, and so that commandment still applies. So it seems to me that the Sabbatarian argument comes down to whether God’s command to love Him with all we are includes keeping the Sabbath. Others can speculate about future blue laws and read it as a mark, but the question is whether Sabbath-keeping would be included in “love the Lord....” else why would you not continue to steal and dishonour mother and father, etc.? This is an honest question I have, again I’m not SDA thanks

The Law is still good and it is still good to do ones best to do the law... BUT!!! A persons eternal status with God is NOT determined by ones level of success or failure to do the Law..

So the Law is still active.. What God wants us to do we should do and what God wants us to avoid we should strive to avoid.. BUT again our performance in doing good and avoiding doing evil is not what determines our eternal outcome..

The Law is one of the primary convicting tools Christians use to convince others of their need for the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. Bringing to the mind of people that they have sinned against the perfect Law of God motivates them to accept the solution God has made to see their transgressions against His will Atoned for..

I'm glad your not SDA

Äpparently tisis your law, I have not "mind set" as you call it. You claim to believe the New Testament, do I not have the permission from Paul to observe any day I will as long as my conscience is clear in the sight of god?

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I obey the law in my soul, while I am credited by my Father to be perfect by the Blood of His Passover Lamb. Do you obey in your soul?

iF SO ÑYOU ARE the same as I ......Allow me to accept God's gift to spent the Seventh Day with Him, for the eternal Seventh day comes, and I look to be with Him so.

Happy New Year, albeit goy, and all blessings in Yeshua.

Yes but then once they’ve understood they’re transgressors and in need of the Savior, you still feel they’ should keep every Old Testament law as best they can?

But not for their salvation, but to please God?

...How do you answer those who say that the OT law was a covenant (sign) between God and the sons of Israel

(as opposed to the gentile nations),? Would you say because we’re grafted in both covenants apply to us today? Just wondering how you believe, thanks 🙂

Yes but then once they’ve understood they’re transgressors and in need of the Savior, you still feel they’ should keep every Old Testament law as best they can? But not for their salvation, but to please God? ...How do you answer those who say that the OT law was a covenant (sign) between God and the sons of Israel (as opposed to the gentile nations),? Would you say because we’re grafted in both covenants apply to us today? Just wondering how you believe, thanks 🙂

all this is just a useless merry go round.

the only thing one has to do to be saved is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

What about repentance? Luke 13:3-5 ...I also wonder about enduring to the end and finishing the race but I’ll save that for another thread, thanks 🙂 This thread here wasn’t so much to do with salvation but whether the Sabbath was abolished, thanks 🙂

Keeping sabbath and the Law with the mindset that doing so plays a part in our salvation is Works salvation..

Sabbath keeping has nothing to do with salvation through faith in Christ.

Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."

Why are you making this discussion personal? About you? Did i say that you Jaumel have this mindset?

NO i have NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING... Don't you dare put words into my mouth that i have never uttered.. Lying about what others have said to tarnish their credibility in the minds of others during a discussion between two supposed brethren is being a false accuser of the brethren... That's a very serious thing to be doing as a believer in the LORD Jesus Christ.. DON'T DO IT..



When did i say that You JaumeJ because you want to do something like observe sabbath that you are under the law?

Please quote where i made this personal accusation against you Jaumej.. If you cannot do this then i expect a public acknowledgement of your false slander against me...

It's up to you, we will see how much puffed up religious pride you have or if you are meek?



I believe ALL the expressed with of God as revealed in scripture in regard for His will for people to do and not to do is right and good.. So it can be said that i agree with the law that it is good.. But can i obey the will of God to the letter 100% ... !00% of the time.. NO.. and you cannot do it either Jaumej.. Now if you believe you can be in 100% obeyance to the Message of God come out and make the claim.. If not then don't try and condemn others for failing to obey Gods will 100% and 100% of the time..



Yes.. Because i am 100% confident in the sufficency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ which he secured for the forgivenness of all m y sins on the cross..



Again you are putting forward that i am some kind of Supreme Dictator out to persecute you for believing that the Seventh Day is the sabbath and doing stuff on that day to acknowledge that day... I assure everyone reading this post i am not stalking Jaumej and personally threatening him for engaging in any religious practice on the 7th day of the week.. This is nothing put projecting evil intent upon me as a form of public character assassination..



GOY.... Calling me GOY,, a derogatory Jewish term for a dirty inferior gentile??? A supposed brother in Jesus is willing to verbally spit upon a fellow believer in the LORD Jesus Christ buy using a derogatory term like GOY!!!!!

Let me turn the cheek and my LORD Jesus instructed me and await your next reply and see if Gods Holy Spirit has anything to say to your conscience in the mean while..

PS: The irony of this is that i believe that the weekly Biblical Sabbath is on the Seventh Day .. I believe the Bible when it declares that the weekly sabbath starts of Friday sunset and ends on Saturday sunset.. I am not a supporter of the sunday sabbath doctrine...

Again, do not associate this "mindset" of yours on me...…..is mindset a new doctrine or dogma for the Body of Yeshua? Just do not associate that wit me, it has been done over and over with implying I am under the law which is in effect saying my repetence and faith in Jesus Christ is void……..do not do this to me or anyone else who believe obedience is our due and not some kind of works. Do not do it.

I say wans’t so much because some mentioned SDA and blue law beliefs. My OP wasn’t of salvivic concern, but whether it was abolished. Thanks again 🙂

What about repentance? Luke 13:3-5

...I also wonder about enduring to the end and finishing the race but I’ll save that for another thread, thanks 🙂

This thread here wasn’t so much to do with salvation but whether the Sabbath was abolished, thanks 🙂