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The post about SDA's think its a sin to worship on Sunday has made me rack my brain to figure out how to answer this question as a SDA I'd like to answer on my behalf as I believe... I am not answering for the church as a whole just for me and my SDA belief...
No I don't believe someone in general is sinning if they worship God on Sunday or any other considered day as Muslims have Friday as their day of worship etc...
However, with my conviction for myself if I were to worship God on Sunday as my holy day when I personally am convicted to practice what God has asked me to Remember in the 4th commandment if I went against that conviction for me it would be a sin.
James 4:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
I believe that it is possible for each of us to have an issue that might be a sin for us but not a sin for someone else... An example I can give is that I honored my mother and father but someone else may have a real issue with doing that.
I on the other hand struggle with gluttony where another person may not have that as an issue.
My point being that we all struggle with something that is considered a sin and when we confess God has forgiven us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. With God's Holy Spirit living in us we through His power turn away from sin and don't want to keep sinning.
But when we become convicted that what we are doing is wrong then for us to continue to do it for us it is a sin so for me if I were to worship on Sunday with my conviction that Sabbath is the day to worship for me it would be a sin.
Now have I gone to church on Sunday? Yes, I have to visit other churches and I was in a singing group and we would sing at many places at different times, plus I have had friends invite me to go and visit their church which I have done. So no I don't think if you are convicted to worship on Sunday that you are sinning...
No I don't believe someone in general is sinning if they worship God on Sunday or any other considered day as Muslims have Friday as their day of worship etc...
However, with my conviction for myself if I were to worship God on Sunday as my holy day when I personally am convicted to practice what God has asked me to Remember in the 4th commandment if I went against that conviction for me it would be a sin.
James 4:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
I believe that it is possible for each of us to have an issue that might be a sin for us but not a sin for someone else... An example I can give is that I honored my mother and father but someone else may have a real issue with doing that.
I on the other hand struggle with gluttony where another person may not have that as an issue.
My point being that we all struggle with something that is considered a sin and when we confess God has forgiven us and we are covered by the blood of Jesus. With God's Holy Spirit living in us we through His power turn away from sin and don't want to keep sinning.
But when we become convicted that what we are doing is wrong then for us to continue to do it for us it is a sin so for me if I were to worship on Sunday with my conviction that Sabbath is the day to worship for me it would be a sin.
Now have I gone to church on Sunday? Yes, I have to visit other churches and I was in a singing group and we would sing at many places at different times, plus I have had friends invite me to go and visit their church which I have done. So no I don't think if you are convicted to worship on Sunday that you are sinning...
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You asked about Ellen White and someone else stated she was the founder of the church so thought I'd give you list of founders and most of them came from other religions before the Adventist church... They came together and studied the Bible.
Founders of the SDA church.
Joseph Bates
Joseph Bates (July 8, 1792 – March 19, 1872) was an American seaman and revivalist minister. He was a co-founder and developer of Sabbatarian Adventism, a strain of religious thinking that evolved into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Bates is also credited with convincing James White and Ellen G. White of the validity of the seventh-day Sabbath.
James Springer White
He was baptized into the Christian Connexion at age 15.
James Springer White (August 4, 1821 in Palmyra, Maine – August 6, 1881 in Battle Creek, Michigan), also known as Elder White, was a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and husband of Ellen G. White. In 1849 he started the first Sabbatarian Adventist periodical entitled "The Present Truth" (now the Adventist Review), in 1855 he relocated the fledgling center of the movement to Battle Creek, Michigan, and in 1863 played a pivotal role in the formal organization of the denomination. He later played a major role in the development of the Adventist educational structure beginning in 1874 with the formation of Battle Creek College (which is now Andrews University).
Ellen G. White
Ellen, with her parents, attended a Methodist camp meeting at Buxton, Maine; and there, at the age of 12, a breakthrough occurred in which she had a conversion experience and felt at peace.
Ellen Gould White (née Ellen Gould Harmon; November 26, 1827 – July 16, 1915) was an author and an American Christian pioneer. Along with other Sabbatarian Adventist leaders such as Joseph Bates and her husband James White, she formed what became known as the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The Smithsonian magazine named Ellen G. White among the "100 Most Significant Americans of All Time.[1]
J. N. Andrews
John Nevins Andrews (July 22, 1829 in Poland, Maine – October 21, 1883 in Basel, Switzerland), was a Seventh-day Adventist minister, the first official Seventh-day Adventist missionary, writer, editor, and scholar. Andrews University (Michigan, USA), a university owned and operated by the Seventh-day Adventist church, is named after him.[1]
You asked about Ellen White and someone else stated she was the founder of the church so thought I'd give you list of founders and most of them came from other religions before the Adventist church... They came together and studied the Bible.
Founders of the SDA church.
Joseph Bates
Joseph Bates (July 8, 1792 – March 19, 1872) was an American seaman and revivalist minister. He was a co-founder and developer of Sabbatarian Adventism, a strain of religious thinking that evolved into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Bates is also credited with convincing James White and Ellen G. White of the validity of the seventh-day Sabbath.
James Springer White
He was baptized into the Christian Connexion at age 15.
James Springer White (August 4, 1821 in Palmyra, Maine – August 6, 1881 in Battle Creek, Michigan), also known as Elder White, was a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and husband of Ellen G. White. In 1849 he started the first Sabbatarian Adventist periodical entitled "The Present Truth" (now the Adventist Review), in 1855 he relocated the fledgling center of the movement to Battle Creek, Michigan, and in 1863 played a pivotal role in the formal organization of the denomination. He later played a major role in the development of the Adventist educational structure beginning in 1874 with the formation of Battle Creek College (which is now Andrews University).
Ellen G. White
Ellen, with her parents, attended a Methodist camp meeting at Buxton, Maine; and there, at the age of 12, a breakthrough occurred in which she had a conversion experience and felt at peace.
Ellen Gould White (née Ellen Gould Harmon; November 26, 1827 – July 16, 1915) was an author and an American Christian pioneer. Along with other Sabbatarian Adventist leaders such as Joseph Bates and her husband James White, she formed what became known as the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The Smithsonian magazine named Ellen G. White among the "100 Most Significant Americans of All Time.[1]
J. N. Andrews
John Nevins Andrews (July 22, 1829 in Poland, Maine – October 21, 1883 in Basel, Switzerland), was a Seventh-day Adventist minister, the first official Seventh-day Adventist missionary, writer, editor, and scholar. Andrews University (Michigan, USA), a university owned and operated by the Seventh-day Adventist church, is named after him.[1]
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Description of SDA Church
The Seventh-day Adventist Church[a] is a Protestant Christian denomination[3] distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[4] the seventh day of the week in Christian and Jewish calendars, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (advent) of Jesus Christ. The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the mid-19th century and was formally established in 1863.[5] Among its founders was Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church.[6]
Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to common Protestant Christian teachings, such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment. The church is known for its emphasis on diet and health, its "holistic" understanding of the person,[7] promotion of religious liberty, and its conservative principles and lifestyle.[8]
The world church is governed by a General Conference, with smaller regions administered by divisions, union conferences, and local conferences. It currently has a worldwide baptized membership of over 20 million people, and 25 million adherents.[9][10] As of May 2007, it was the twelfth-largest religious body in the world,[11] and the sixth-largest highly international religious body.[12] It is ethnically and culturally diverse, and maintains a missionary presence in over 215 countries and territories.[2][13] The church operates over 7,500 schools including over 100 post-secondary institutions, numerous hospitals, and publishing houses worldwide, as well as a humanitarian aid organization known as the Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA).
Description of SDA Church
The Seventh-day Adventist Church[a] is a Protestant Christian denomination[3] distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[4] the seventh day of the week in Christian and Jewish calendars, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (advent) of Jesus Christ. The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the mid-19th century and was formally established in 1863.[5] Among its founders was Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church.[6]
Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to common Protestant Christian teachings, such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment. The church is known for its emphasis on diet and health, its "holistic" understanding of the person,[7] promotion of religious liberty, and its conservative principles and lifestyle.[8]
The world church is governed by a General Conference, with smaller regions administered by divisions, union conferences, and local conferences. It currently has a worldwide baptized membership of over 20 million people, and 25 million adherents.[9][10] As of May 2007, it was the twelfth-largest religious body in the world,[11] and the sixth-largest highly international religious body.[12] It is ethnically and culturally diverse, and maintains a missionary presence in over 215 countries and territories.[2][13] The church operates over 7,500 schools including over 100 post-secondary institutions, numerous hospitals, and publishing houses worldwide, as well as a humanitarian aid organization known as the Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA).
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Justification is great, praise God for the this gift. Imparted righteousness, made clean by grace.
Sanctification is also a gift that you need to think about. Jesus wants to free us from sinning and it's consequences.
Do you believe God wants to clean you, so that you can go and continually get dirty again and again?
Overcoming sin is possible and this gives glory to our overcoming Lord and saviour. By the Spirit we can overcome but we will not achieve anything higher than the standard we set.
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Please take a second to understand the spirituality of the law,
The law isn't the enemy, sin and death is, the law just reveals sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Jesus is the one i look to and He kept the 10 commandments perfectly, Salvation is a gift so i can't earn it but i am asked to come to the light.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Our righteousness is not found in keeping the law because we fail, it is found in Christ because He kept it perfectly.
By Gods Spirit in us, Can i and SDA people keep it because we want the character of Christ to be seen in our example? Can i keep the law because i love to reflect the image of my saviour? Not to be saved but because i am saved.
Sanctification is also a gift that you need to think about. Jesus wants to free us from sinning and it's consequences.
Do you believe God wants to clean you, so that you can go and continually get dirty again and again?
Overcoming sin is possible and this gives glory to our overcoming Lord and saviour. By the Spirit we can overcome but we will not achieve anything higher than the standard we set.
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Please take a second to understand the spirituality of the law,
The law isn't the enemy, sin and death is, the law just reveals sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Jesus is the one i look to and He kept the 10 commandments perfectly, Salvation is a gift so i can't earn it but i am asked to come to the light.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Our righteousness is not found in keeping the law because we fail, it is found in Christ because He kept it perfectly.
By Gods Spirit in us, Can i and SDA people keep it because we want the character of Christ to be seen in our example? Can i keep the law because i love to reflect the image of my saviour? Not to be saved but because i am saved.
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From what i understand SDA's have never set a date in history for the coming of Christ. If someone has set a date the Church as a whole has never agreed. The following verse is what the Adventists believe. ..
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
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If you want to find reasons to dislike any denomination you will find it, but give me a biblical reason why this church is wrong.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
I don't know of any other church that promotes the keeping of the commandments.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
I don't know of any other church that promotes the keeping of the commandments.
I see Christian fellowship as exactly that special fellowship between brothers and sisters in Christ who all believe the Gospel.. It does not mean we do not talk with or interact with unbelievers. Indeed Christians should be out going towards unbelievers.. I care for my family and yes my dad and mom and some of my flesh brothers and sisters are catholics.. I do not shun them.. I love them.. We should love even our enemies as Jesus said.. But we do not love unbelievers by telling them they are ok with God in their unbvelief or false belief.. Thats not love that's uncaring in the extreme..
You declared yourself to be a catholic Tourist,, have i placed you on ignore? Have i shuned you? Nope..
I am acting as a witness to you of the Gospel that saves and the borderline between being saved and being trapped in the bondage of false religion that masqurades as being Christian when it is actually a stumbling stone leading to damnation..
I do not attend any denomination.. I am a Bible believing Christian who has accepted the Gospel truth that people are saved 100% by believing in the Atonement that the LORD Jesus Christ secured by his death on the cross.. I believe the teachings of Jesus as revealed in the Gospels.. All His teachings are correct and good..
And like Noah it is better to be in fellowship with a few in this world and rejected by many while being accepted by God,, then be embracing false doctrines and being popular with the majority who are headed to the eternal lake of fire.. Jesus said the last days would be like the days of Noah..
Matthew 24: KJV
36 "¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. {37} But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {38} For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, {39} And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
You declared yourself to be a catholic Tourist,, have i placed you on ignore? Have i shuned you? Nope..
I am acting as a witness to you of the Gospel that saves and the borderline between being saved and being trapped in the bondage of false religion that masqurades as being Christian when it is actually a stumbling stone leading to damnation..
I do not attend any denomination.. I am a Bible believing Christian who has accepted the Gospel truth that people are saved 100% by believing in the Atonement that the LORD Jesus Christ secured by his death on the cross.. I believe the teachings of Jesus as revealed in the Gospels.. All His teachings are correct and good..
And like Noah it is better to be in fellowship with a few in this world and rejected by many while being accepted by God,, then be embracing false doctrines and being popular with the majority who are headed to the eternal lake of fire.. Jesus said the last days would be like the days of Noah..
Matthew 24: KJV
36 "¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. {37} But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {38} For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, {39} And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
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Its an evil generation as natural man (666) that seeks after a sign. Christ said the last one of Jonas was given.It would seem to be not enough to those who look for extras.
The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truths .The mark is not literal but points to those who see no value in the unseen things of God .Natural man a beast of the field. .His number is 666. Like Cain who became a marked man as a restless wander receiving no rest from the word of God. or Esua who sold his spiritual birthright for a cup of soup seeing no value in the things of God.
Its something that is removed when a person believes God and God places his seal in their forehead according to His hand or will .
Not a literal seal. But one seen by faith
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
The buying and selling has to do with spiritual truths .The mark is not literal but points to those who see no value in the unseen things of God .Natural man a beast of the field. .His number is 666. Like Cain who became a marked man as a restless wander receiving no rest from the word of God. or Esua who sold his spiritual birthright for a cup of soup seeing no value in the things of God.
Its something that is removed when a person believes God and God places his seal in their forehead according to His hand or will .
Not a literal seal. But one seen by faith
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
let' s do some reasoning here.
who wrote Revelations ? John.
in his 1st letter, John, ( same guy ) said the Commands were are to keep are believe in the name of the Son and love one another.
so, since he states what the Commands are, it is wrong to assume these verses are referring to what God gave Moses on Sinai.
Sabbath keeping has 0 to do with faith in Christ .
who wrote Revelations ? John.
in his 1st letter, John, ( same guy ) said the Commands were are to keep are believe in the name of the Son and love one another.
so, since he states what the Commands are, it is wrong to assume these verses are referring to what God gave Moses on Sinai.
Sabbath keeping has 0 to do with faith in Christ .
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Christ did not offer a remnant of His grace as a unknown amount (except for our sister in the Lord, Mary) and say suffer in purgatory for another unknown .Can't built a work of faith on unknowns . We are saved by the faith of Christ that works in those who believe God.
This work of faith is according to his three day labor of love . It is not a labor of his love without the faith needed to work it out. No difference between Ephesians account and the James 2 account both producing the same work of God, according to the faith of God.
One things that is common between Ellen White, SDA's and Catholics is they all claim to be receiving new revelations called private revelations from God therefore violating the warning not to add or subtract from the whole . This takes away from our tool (the perfect) needed to try the spirits to see if they are from men seen or God not seen.
For some reason or other the paraphrasers did not know what to do with the word Sabaath simply meaning rest with no other meaning added.. It is not a time sensitive word and they changed it to a time sensitive word called week taking away the understanding of God as do all oral traditions..
This work of faith is according to his three day labor of love . It is not a labor of his love without the faith needed to work it out. No difference between Ephesians account and the James 2 account both producing the same work of God, according to the faith of God.
One things that is common between Ellen White, SDA's and Catholics is they all claim to be receiving new revelations called private revelations from God therefore violating the warning not to add or subtract from the whole . This takes away from our tool (the perfect) needed to try the spirits to see if they are from men seen or God not seen.
For some reason or other the paraphrasers did not know what to do with the word Sabaath simply meaning rest with no other meaning added.. It is not a time sensitive word and they changed it to a time sensitive word called week taking away the understanding of God as do all oral traditions..
God asks us to serve Him with all of our heart, soul, strength, and mind. If I knowingly disobeyed one of His commandments, I would be offering divided service to Him. That's my conviction. However, I believe that God knows our hearts and that Jesus will judge according to His own knowledge. He knows His sheep, and if we haven't given our hearts to Him, and if we're relying on our works (whether it's Sabbath-keeping or memorizing Scripture) to save us, we'll be terribly disappointed.
"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." Galatians 5:6
"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." Galatians 5:6
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