Seventh-day Adventists

[LoveGodLovePeople]

Just because one does not go to church on saterday does not man they do not keep that day holy. Just because they go to church on sunday does not mean they do not honor the sabbath.

Romans 3:31, "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."

 

[Jackson123]

The fourth commandment says that we should remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Six days thou shalt labor and do all your work but the seventh-day is the sabbath of the lord you God. I would agree that we should keep every day holy but there are two kinds of holy.

This is for Israel in the OT.

OT say you have to make animal sacrifice but you not

Because that command to make animal sacrifice is for Israel in the ot not for you.

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

Take a look at mailmandan's post here, refuting SDA theology: Please do so sir:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/seventh-day-adventists.181765/page-11#post-3807893

I will post it here, I hope brother Dan does not mind. THIS IS NOT MY WRITING, he wrote this:


Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians in the New Testament.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath(Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The old covenant was a conditional agreement that God made with the Israelites. The old covenant was in effect during the dispensation of law. We are not under the law, but under grace.

The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated in the New Testament, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians in the New Testament.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - as Matthew 5:33,34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns." But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

There was two kinds of Sabbaths, one that was a shadow of things to come, and another that was writtten in the ten commandments

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

This is for Israel in the OT.

OT say you have to make animal sacrifice but you not

Because that command to make animal sacrifice is for Israel in the ot not for you.

The animal sacrifices were held in a pouch outside the ark. Paul says that the laws outside the ark were done away with, not the ones inside (the ten commandments)

 

[Jackson123]

Why does GOd say that the wicked shall be ashes under the souls of our feet?

Give me the verse brother.

 

[Jackson123]

The animal sacrifices were held in a pouch outside the ark. Paul says that the laws outside the ark were done away with, not the ones inside (the ten commandments)

Please quote the verse

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The fourth commandment says that we should remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Six days thou shalt labor and do all your work but the seventh-day is the sabbath of the lord you God. I would agree that we should keep every day holy but there are two kinds of holy.

Yes, Keep it holy

Nothing there says go to church.

Romans 3:31, "Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."

You do not establish the law by going to church on saterday. The law did not say go to church on sunday, It said rest.

People could go to the synagog or church anyday, In fact, the new testament church met often (many believe daily) and we know they met on the first day (sunday) because that is when they collected money to serve other churches..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There was two kinds of Sabbaths, one that was a shadow of things to come, and another that was writtten in the ten commandments

The ten commands were a part of these shadows. They are called the ministry of death written on stones according to paul..

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

Give me the verse brother.

Malachi 4:3, "Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashesunder the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty. "

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

The ten commands were a part of these shadows. They are called the ministry of death written on stones according to paul..

Please Give me the verse where Paul says that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The animal sacrifices were held in a pouch outside the ark. Paul says that the laws outside the ark were done away with, not the ones inside (the ten commandments)

The things inside the ark are the things God has against us. When the high priest splatterd the blood of the sacrifice on the ark, The things which God had against his people (the ten commands, proving their sin, the manna which proved their sin, and arrons rod that budded again proving their sin) were covered, Thus God would pass over judgment, because he sqw blood, not the things which condemned them.

It would help to study the law and these things to understand the spiritual ignificants of them.

The ten commands condemn you daily, because daily you break them

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

The things inside the ark are the things God has against us. When the high priest splatterd the blood of the sacrifice on the ark, The things which God had against his people (the ten commands, proving their sin, the manna which proved their sin, and arrons rod that budded again proving their sin) were covered, Thus God would pass over judgment, because he sqw blood, not the things which condemned them.

It would help to study the law and these things to understand the spiritual ignificants of them.

The ten commands condemn you daily, because daily you break them

How did the manna prove their sin?

 

[Jackson123]

Exodus 35:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Let me ask to our SDA brother.

Do you practice this verse?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please Give me the verse where Paul says that?

2 Corinthians 3:7
[ Glory of the New Covenant ] But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away

This refers to the ten commands.

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

Please quote the verse

Deuteronomy 31:24-26, "So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; "

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

Exodus 35:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Let me ask to our SDA brother.

Do you practice this verse?

That was in the Mosaic Law. And we have to remember that that was back when it was a lot of work to start a fire. It is not now...

 

[gb9]

see, we are to fulfill the righteous intent of the Law. not keep the letter.

Paul listed the fruits of the Sprit, then stated " against these there is no Law.

so, if you are manifesting the Fruits of the Sprit, it will accomplish 2 things- staying away from the sinful works of the flesh, and fulfill the righteous intent of the Law.

now, what is not listed as a Fruit of the Sprit- Sabbath keeping.

so, there is an answer as to if Christ followers are to keep the jewish Sabbath- no.

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

The Sabbath is showing love to God by setting apart a day to spend time with him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How did the manna prove their sin?

Ex 16:
27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

As for Aaron’s Rod. Numbers 17: 10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Bring Aaron’s rod back before the Testimony, to be kept as a sign against the rebels, that you may put their complaints away from Me, lest they die.”
Why do you think the blood was spilt so the cherub could not see what was inside..

 

[LoveGodLovePeople]

2 Corinthians 3:7
[ Glory of the New Covenant ] But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away

This refers to the ten commands.

Paul called that the ministry of death because the law (moral law-Ten Commandments) is to now be written on our hearts