Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible
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Hey sis,
The bottom line here is when the chapter is understood in context, that God creates adversity and calamity, or woe for those that are disobedient unto Him. This is exactly what happened. The children of Israel ended up in 70 years of Babylonian captivity. This wasn't 'evil' it was judgment on them for their actions.
Our carnal minds perceive this to be 'evil', but God is not carnal, and He sure does not think like we do. I hear people say a lot that it's evil because of OUR perception. It's not about OUR perception. God does not create evil or does evil to anyone.
The topic was about the KJV, which is why I brought this verse up. The KJV uses the worst word here for the context of the scripture, and because of this, we have millions of people walking around claiming that God is the Author of evil; that He created evil.
And my point all along. God does not create evil, nor did He create it in the beginning. But God will use what man plans as evil against someone else and turn it into good.
The bottom line here is when the chapter is understood in context, that God creates adversity and calamity, or woe for those that are disobedient unto Him. This is exactly what happened. The children of Israel ended up in 70 years of Babylonian captivity. This wasn't 'evil' it was judgment on them for their actions.
Our carnal minds perceive this to be 'evil', but God is not carnal, and He sure does not think like we do. I hear people say a lot that it's evil because of OUR perception. It's not about OUR perception. God does not create evil or does evil to anyone.
The topic was about the KJV, which is why I brought this verse up. The KJV uses the worst word here for the context of the scripture, and because of this, we have millions of people walking around claiming that God is the Author of evil; that He created evil.
And my point all along. God does not create evil, nor did He create it in the beginning. But God will use what man plans as evil against someone else and turn it into good.
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Hi Sherril,
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
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In all other areas of study,
And if you conclude the NASB, ESV, NIV or any other single version to be the word of God, then all others are false. It's either one or none. Most on here, I guess, would vote none, there is no Bible we can trust to be the holy, pure words of God that we can trust.
Hi Sherril,
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
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Hi Sherril,
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
What these verses show is difference... that’s it. If you assume the KJV is correct, you will conclude the newer versions are wrong. However that is an arbitrary assumption. The KJV may be familiar to you, but it isn’t the standard of accuracy; the sources are. On this verse you will have to dig deeper to determine the right version.
This is an old, well-refuted argument. I don't assume that any particular translation is perfect, so I don't worry about this like you seem to.
Your black-and-white approach is deeply flawed. It blinds you to the real situation and tends to limit your trust in God. You can't comprehend that your pet translation isn't perfect, because in your mind, that leaves you with nothing at all. It's quite sad.
Your black-and-white approach is deeply flawed. It blinds you to the real situation and tends to limit your trust in God. You can't comprehend that your pet translation isn't perfect, because in your mind, that leaves you with nothing at all. It's quite sad.
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He did preserve his word to us. He did it in the Bible, but not only on the King James, it's in all versions and translations, because his word is not ink on paper or material, it's spirit and truth. A person with no affinity toward God can read any Bible on Earth and not have one word from God. It's when you read these words from God with the holy Spirit that the word is revealed.
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There appears to be many “learned” individuals on this site. It seems that many who study on a regular basis have a fairly extensive library of bound & electronic reference books. This thread is interesting on many levels, but the original posting of defending the KJV made me think of a site I have used in the past. It lists the original text from several manuscript families for each verse, then the Greek & translation from several translations. It’s neatly done and can be a good comparative study aid. Here it is for those interested;
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B43C001.htm
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B43C001.htm
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I look in the OT. And I can not find a time when Judah RULED with God.
I do however, see that they also, just like israel and Ephram, were unruly, so much in fact. Babylon conquered them, Medea and persia enslaved them Greece defiled their holy place. And even when christ walked the earh, their unruliness cause rome to totally destroy them and scatter them all over the earth.
Also, the hebrew can help.
The term interpreted “rule” in the KJV or “walk” in the NKJV is this
RWD - to rome about freely, to tear oneself loose (walk with no guide)
To wander restlessly, to roam
here accordeing to the dictionary of biblical languages
8113 רוּד (rûḏ): v.; ≡ Str 7300; TWOT 2129—1. LN 34.40–34.41 (qal) disassociate, formally, roam, be in a state of no longer being in an association, as a figurative extension of roaming or wandering about in linear motion (Jer 2:31; Hos 12:1[EB 11:12]+), see also domain LN 15; (hif) start to roam (Ge 27:40+); 2. LN 25.223–25.250 (hif) be troubled, formally, be caused to roam, i.e., have feelings of anxiety or distress as a figurative extension of being driven or caused to flee in linear motion (Ps 55:3[EB 2]+)
Yep. I think we see who got it wrong.
I do however, see that they also, just like israel and Ephram, were unruly, so much in fact. Babylon conquered them, Medea and persia enslaved them Greece defiled their holy place. And even when christ walked the earh, their unruliness cause rome to totally destroy them and scatter them all over the earth.
Also, the hebrew can help.
The term interpreted “rule” in the KJV or “walk” in the NKJV is this
RWD - to rome about freely, to tear oneself loose (walk with no guide)
To wander restlessly, to roam
here accordeing to the dictionary of biblical languages
8113 רוּד (rûḏ): v.; ≡ Str 7300; TWOT 2129—1. LN 34.40–34.41 (qal) disassociate, formally, roam, be in a state of no longer being in an association, as a figurative extension of roaming or wandering about in linear motion (Jer 2:31; Hos 12:1[EB 11:12]+), see also domain LN 15; (hif) start to roam (Ge 27:40+); 2. LN 25.223–25.250 (hif) be troubled, formally, be caused to roam, i.e., have feelings of anxiety or distress as a figurative extension of being driven or caused to flee in linear motion (Ps 55:3[EB 2]+)
Yep. I think we see who got it wrong.