Not By Works

I only believe in 3 points of the 5 point Calvinism. Therefore they DO NOT WANT TO CLAIM ME.

AND the Armenians DO NOT WANT TO CLAIM ME because I do believe in 3 Points of Calvinism.

SO WHAT AM I ? JUST AN BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, I attend a non-denominational, conservative evangelical type of Church.

I think it bugs everybody that is into that ARMENIAN VS. CALVINISM ARGUMENT.

lol. Ok, keep believing this. Its worse than I thought.. No wonder you have no faith in God. You do not even know who he is.

As for positional sanctification.

Paul

1 Cor 6: 11 You HAVE been washed, You HAVE been justified, you HAVE been sanctified (a completed act) thats positional sanctification

Heb 10: 10 - We HAVE BEEN (perfect tense) Sanctified. Again, A completed act.

Jude 1. To those who ARE SANCTIFIED (perfect tense) and preserved in christ. (Again, a completed act)

Again, Nice try, But you are wrong. Period.

It blows my mind when a supposed believer will lip flap and say something is not in scripture when it is listed and given NUMEROUS TIMES in context....at the end of the day it is PRIDE that keeps them lost in their beliefs.....they absolutely cannot admit the truth, because to do such would state that they or a loved one or their priest or preacher etc. were wrong....I had a Methodist man argue tooth and nail that if he was a good, moral man that God would not send him to hell....his reasoning...My Grandaddy and Daddy believed it and if it was good enough for them, it ia good enough for me.......my step dad is the same way....lost amd though convicted at one time refused it because it contradicted his lost dad, that went out from cancer screaming that he was in flames to to help him, begging for help and died that way screaming, wailing and weeping......true story!

Well, at this point, you should maybe stop wasting so much time on people that don't want to listen and start helping those that are already on the same page.

Bro....I keep swinging for those who read the thread....I will address every false post until the gates of hell are welded shut.....and make no mistake friend....this thread, though very controversial and argumenative at times has helped quite a few people see the light.....they have stated so openly as well as behind the scenes emails.....I despise false gospels and those who devalue Jesus, his promises, power and work on our behalf....just saying bro and I like your statement that you made a few minutes ago....I am in Westfield Plaza in Penrith Australia on a Saturday 10:53 AM swinging the sword MATE...

Here is both sides of the controversy with Biblical defense of both.

Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points

Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints

Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace

For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,

https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html

Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.

Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

in Christ Alone my hope is found !!!!!

For any new believers reading this thread , just put your faith and trust in Christ for your salvation !!!!

Seoche....your drivel has no value with me....you are nothing more than a Catholic and an accuser of the brethern......exactly why what you post = valueless......!!

Get your facts straight and post some truth for once in your life and maybe you won't be put on ignore again by most and or sent packing!!

Hi decon, Argueless is Seoche, how the heck did that happen? Thanks for the warning.

Quote VCO: "Reciting Creeds gives the people a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY."

So what Kept man made false doctrines and errors from CREEPING INTO THOSE CREEDS, when MANY of the men who were instrumental in forming the CREEDS did not believe in BORN AGAIN, or had a False Opinion about IT ? ? ?

NONE of those were famous for teaching BORN AGAIN, and most of those were CATHOLIC in origin, OR Eastern Orthodoxy, so what prevented their particular SLANT on Scripture from Creeping in ? ? ? Eastern Orthodoxy or Oriental Orthodoxy are no more than a Hop Skip and a Jump from Catholicism. Reciting Creeds gives the people a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, that all they have to do is recite that CREED, and they are Saved, when they have NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN. No remorseful repent of sin, No LOVING Personal Relationship with JESUS, No Submission to HIM as LORD meaning Master OUT OF PURE LOVE FOR HIM, etc. Reciting the Historical events of Christ does not make you a Christian; even the DEMONS CAN DO THAT. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH CREEDS.

Mark 5:7-9 (NIV)
7 He shouted at the top of his voice,
"What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?
Swear to God that you won't torture me!"
8 For Jesus had said to him, "Come out of this man, you evil spirit!"
9 Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many."

Well, I understand the sentiment, and there is certainly a place and time for everything...but, times are getting pretty dark...the time for harvest is closing. It is my hope to find those left within the Church that still believe...that still hear from God...

Evil in this world is quite organized...while each of us remain separate, conducting our own personal quixotic war...

I have spent a lot of time doing what you are doing, and I wonder if there is a better way.

P.S. I mean no disrespect here. I am an ally, brother. Christ is with us, and we are guided by the Holy Spirit....but it is easy to get distracted, the deck is, after all, stacked against us.

Hi decon, Argueless is Seoche, how the heck did that happen? Thanks for the warning.

why are all these people coming back under different user names ????

why are all these people coming back under different user names ????

You know....history is an interesting subject.....for example and based upon 32 or 33 years of studying the bible, rise and fall of 7 kingdoms and other various disciplines I have come to the following truth....

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan.......

Different names, same old story and idolatrous false dogmas........!!!!

I figure you are smart enough to get it!

Keep swinging friend

You know....history is an interesting subject.....for example and based upon 32 or 33 years of studying the bible, rise and fall of 7 kingdoms and other various disciplines I have come to the following truth....

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is Satan.......

Different names, same old story and idolatrous false dogmas........!!!!

I figure you are smart enough to get it!

Keep swinging friend

Seoche....your drivel has no value with me....you are nothing more than a Catholic and an accuser of the brethern......exactly why what you post = valueless......!!

Get your facts straight and post some truth for once in your life and maybe you won't be put on ignore again by most and or sent packing!!