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eternally-gratefull said:
You should read what you posted. You prety much just proved the trinity

1. The father is God, Who no one has seen
2. Jesus is God, Who took the form of a servant (angel in OT and man in New)
3. Holy Spirit was sent to enter man, Speak for God and other things
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Thats sad that you can accept a blasphemous doctrine even encouage it. But if you can think I was proving the Trinity I guess you can believe anything you want to. even the idea the HS was Christsfather is sickening !
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As I already explained, when we believe in/have faith in/trust in Jesus Christ unto salvation (Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8) we are entrusting our spiritual well being to Christ, along with placing confidence, trust and reliance in Him for salvation. That would be a personal surrender to Him. The fruit of that would be a life inspired by such surrender. Cause and effect.

In John 17:3, we read - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a personal relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. *John 6:40 - For My Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many so called wonderful works that these many people set out to accomplish in a vain effort to receive eternal life based on the merits of their performance.

There are many unbelievers in various false religions and cults (who even claim to be Christians) that are trusting in a works based salvation. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists, the church of Christ (Campbellism) adherents, Roman Catholics just to name some. No such thing, huh? Get real!

I'm trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation and not in my works. What are you trusting in? BTW I am married and have been for several years now. So what effort on your part are you trusting in for salvation? You already dodged two questions that I previously asked you and I would prefer answers to my questions instead of further questions from you and continued psychobabble.
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So in your understanding , " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender , producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ," ( the Vines definition of pisteuo ) , we aren't really surrendering our life ? We are personally surrendering to the fact of recieving all the promises in His word ?

You did a good job making it seem to make sense , but you know it doesn't , right ?

You've taken half truths ( Faith in , confidence in , entrust , reliance in Him , ) and based it all on something we receive , not something we surrender .

Pisteuo , the verb form of Faith is act , based upon a belief , sustained by confidence . All that is needed is an " object " of Faith . Your object of Faith is His promises , not God the real living person . We don't personally surrender ourselves to receive spiritual gifts.

The definition is " a personal surrender " TO " Him . "
We are personally surrendering something to him . Then it goes on to say " a life inspired by such surrender " we make decisions daily that support what we personally surrendered to Him .
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never said HS was Christs father. You should stop assuming.
It is blasphemy to think The HS is not a person..
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You definitely did not say he wasnt or provethatHS is a Being. HS overshadowed Mary and she conceived! this is disgusting ! I am fixing to watch Cowboys and Saints!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never said HS was Christs father. You should stop assuming.
It is blasphemy to think The HS is not a person..
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The Holy Spirit, He does not take up Residence In a Person until HE BIRTHS that Person's Human Spirit into to eternal life.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Oh NO ,not a believer in the Triune God.!

So many of the most popular doctrines being proclaimed in our modern day "Christianity" come directly from paganism and adopted to what the Catholics call Christianity. At about Constantine's time (in 300's if I remember right) the emerging Catholic Church starting trying to woo the Pagan peoples into their church. Constantine himself was a worshiper of the sun and brought much of that with him into their church. Many pagan holidays and beliefs were injected into the Catholic church and given the name of "Christianity" when they were far from it!
Unfortunately they are widely accepted as true today even by church going people. If a person is honest with himself and
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Don't you know that almost every one of us BELIEVE IN THE TRINUNE GOD!

YOU JUMPED INTO A TRINITY BELIEVING SITE.

Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


Just so you know, we also BELIEVE that Mormonism is a Psuedo Christian Cult.
 
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Pisteuo said:
More blathering , your not qualified to make comments on Strong's or anything else . You just can't accept any Greek dictionarys definition of pisteuo ! Doesn't that raise a red flag in your mind. ? I'll leave you with that last warning .
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Looking in a mirror are YOU?


1 Timothy 3:6 (NKJV)
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
 
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Suzy37 said:
You definitely did not say he wasnt or provethatHS is a Being. HS overshadowed Mary and she conceived! this is disgusting ! I am fixing to watch Cowboys and Saints!
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We Pick the SAINTS.
 
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Don't you know that almost every one of us BELIEVE IN THE TRINUNE GOD!

YOU JUMPED INTO A TRINITY BELIEVING SITE.

Matthew 28:19 (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


Just so you know, we also BELIEVE that Mormonism is a Psuedo Christian Cult.
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Sorry just because you believe a pagan doctrine and believe the HS is a MALE BEING and the Bible says he overshadowed Mary and she became pregnant , that is plainly saying you think the HS is Christs father! That is blasphemy! And you ought to be ashamed! I am ashamed for you.

I could care less if I jumped into a Triune god site , and why do I care if you don't like Mormons. Maybe you think I am a Mormon and are trying to insult me, Sorry again but I am not a Mormon ! LOL!

I notice you are using "WE" is this the royal we, or are you the spokesman for the group? If so you need to have a collective Bible Study and see what other doctrines need scrutinized , deeply search and ask the real God for guidance!
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S POWER, HIS INTELLECT, HIS WILL A TOOL TO DO HIS WILL ! NOT SOME MALE BEING WHO MADE MARY PREGNANT BUT AS THAT VERSE SAYS THE POWER OF GOD! God the Father is Christs Father!
 
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No Christ was not an angel He was the Rock. Jehovah , The God of the OT who gave the ten Commandments to Israel
 
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No Christ was not an angel He was the Rock. Jehovah , The God of the OT who gave the ten Commandments to Israel And in the NT came in human flesh to show them how to keep them in the Spirit by example and teaching


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

To fulfil the law means to keep it fully Read all of Matt 5 and you can see what that means He kept the law in the Spirit!

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

A Christian has the laws of God written in their hearts by the HS at baptism and the laying on of hands and does not try to find every little excuse in the world not to obey God!

 
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No, I actually do take it for what it means.........and you don't know what you are talking about if you think we are not born again by the Spirit due to a spiritual birth! No wonder so many people are screwed up in their beliefs......because of drivel like saying we are not born from above by a spiritual birth....that is just ignorant.....!
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Like I keep saying if you are born again Christ says you are spirit, if so fly over here and show me, then I will believe you BUT I DON"T SEE THAT HAPPENING! I really think you are still flesh and blood! That's in John 3 !

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
 
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OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is as filthy rags.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
If we stand before God covered by Christ's righteousness, we are not guilty, we are judged as righteous. By faith we have Christ's righteousness imputed to us and are justified by Grace.
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Justification by grace does not mean we can continue in sin, or working works of sin. When Jesus is in us sanctification will be seen. Sanctification is imparted by grace also.
If Jesus is in you, what type of works should be seen?
 
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VCO said:
Yeah, that would make sense. I was convinced that it was a Psuedo Christian Cult, but I was in hopes that she was not deceived beyond, bringing her back to REPENTANCE.
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I did not see your message mailman, some pop up ,blur out and thats it, never find them.

no, I am not a Mormon but calling them names is not exactly Christian is it? I expect they think they are every bit as Christian as born again people are!
 
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So your designated Lunch Break is you house.

Here was my Designated Break area, at the Scenic Look Out Area at the end of 9th Street, in Crescent City, CA. I also had my Lunch Break at my Apartment. Seven of my STREETS dead ended at the Ocean. From my LLV's left side, looking straight south is the
Battery Point Light House, at the end of 2nd St.

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During the WINTER it RAINS SIDEWAYS A LOT. So that picture is in the the SUMMER.
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why would the laying on of hands bother you? its Biblical at least Oh I bet its because its not instant saved or born again which is definitely not Biblical!
 
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mailmandan said:
In post #76,636 - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-3832#post-3780224 I asked Suzy if she was a Mormon, but never received an answer. :unsure: What made me question this was when she said - "We see we have to change, repent and be baptized so we are baptized and by the laying on of hands receive the H. S"[/QUOTE
Why would I tell you what Church I go to when all you would do is attack it? You people that think you know everything and are above reproach need to repent of your sins,you are greatly lacking!
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