Calvinism Critiqued

Total Depravity is false doctrine since God expects all sinners to obey the Gospel. Indeed He commands all men everywhere to repent.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31)

A word for non-Calvinists. You could give the Calvinists a thousand verses from the Bible which totally refute their nonsense, but they will not believe God. They have Calvin as the final authority. It is truly amazing how Satan perverted the Reformation. The Reformers rejected the false doctrines of Roman Catholicism, but at the same time fully embraced the false doctrines of Augustine, the leading Catholic *authority*.

You just ripped that out of context which the preceding verses gives.

You are, of course, 100% correct! One does not have to subscribe to the theological beliefs of Calvin to be a child of God. Just BELIEVE in your heart that the Spirit of God raised up Jesus from the dead? And, POOF!! You are a child of God! Also called "children of light." Of these? There is NO condemnation!

Should you remember what I stated concerning Calvin, was that in, and during the perfecting, or maturing within my spirit? I have "experienced", MANY SIMILARITIES, to that which Calvin expressed. And, like I've stated before on several occasions? Until I came into CC? I hadn't really ever heard of John Calvin! Which, to me, anyways, warranted a closer inspection of his theological belief "system", I suppose would be a better way to put it. For this? However, there is MUCH condemnation for! And this? Is exercising your free will, to do so! That's OK, child of God! I can handle it!
Luke 12
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Although, I did inquire of you to answer Gods' "call" of pressing on to the "Higher Calling" of God, in Christ? I cannot, nor shall I force you, or anyone, for that matter, to answer it!

What I am doing however, is putting forth a testimony, to, and for those, like myself, who were born into this world and Heaven (age), that have been foreknown and predestined from a previous earth and Heaven age! And again? I shall not force anyone to believe, nor accept this!

I say "we", because I know there are more then just myself, here in this current time. Born from woman AT WAR from the womb, against the prince of this world (age)! That is to say satan!

Having already the Spirit of God, bearing wittness to our "flesh spirit" whilst we are still "nursing" from our mother's milk! What this does? And I can only answer for myself here, is LIMIT my ABILITIES in the conforming of my spirit, and mind, and heart in the bonding WITH the prince of this world! For me? This is IMPOSSIBLE! For my soul, you see? Is with the "Order of Melchizadek!" Which is, as you should know? A FOREVER Priesthood! Does this mean that my flesh body does not have needs for being baptised into Christ Jesus? As many opponents of Calvin's theology so loudly proclaim? God FORBID! I can understand, however, the why Calvin, and even the Catholic church, along with other denominations, do infant baptism. This is not really "necessary", as God "knows" where I am, and they are, and places us in the "ideal" scenario, where we do get baptized into Christ! According to His purpose, and good pleasure!

And yes? We are mocked and scoffed at in the eyes of natural man, who can't understand this, being "programmed" by the prince of this world (age), as folly in their eyes! Along with 5 bucks these days, will get ya a cup of coffee!

Dreamers! ADHD! Aspbergers, along with a whole host of "ailments and maladies" the eyes of men, with oh so much "aid in abundance", from the tree of knowledge, and good and evil! With a surety of more "labels" to come! To which opens ones' eyes to an "AWARENESS of SELF", or? A "separateness" FROM God! Which was NOT present before the "garden of Eden incident!" As the "gene pool", becomes more and more corrupted with each passing generation.

Ya know? There was a time, when I claimed I had "every mental, emotional, and social malady KNOWN to man!" "And, SOME, they haven't invented "names" for yet!" Some may even lay claim, that my Mom, missed her appointment at the abortion clinic! "NICE TRY HEROD!"

1 Corinthians 13
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.



I'll just leave this here:
Isaiah 57
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Seems, YOU are the ONLY one, I've seen ACCUSING people, by calling them DISCIPLES of Calvin!

Oh!....I get it now! Someone just mentions similarities to Calvin, in their Spiritual journeyings? And, NOW? IN YOUR EYES? THEY ARE NOW "DUES PAID UP", "CARD CARRYING DISCIPLES" of John Calvin?

Ya wanna tract?

Better go somewheres else with yer straw man arguments! Cuz, they not holding up to well on this thread!

(aww!...they always get riled up when someone pokes the spirit of anti christ in the eye! )

Geeze! Start telling people that believe love covers EVERY sin? That it don't? INSTANTANEOUSLY OFFENDED!

Exactly...

Hmmmm...p_rehbein. Embraces JW's and others with false gospels, attacks "Calvinists" who are orthodox, doctrinally sound and expound the truths of the Gospel.

Okey dokey...

https://adam4d.com/anti-calvinist/

I am not spinning it any way I want. From Ephesians 1:4...

ἐκλέγομαι (eklegomai)

to pick out; in NT to choose, select, Lk. 6:13; 10:42; in NT to choose out as the recipients of special favor and privilege, Acts 13:17; 1 Cor. 1:27

God chose us from before the creation of the world...

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will.

Look at all the personal pronouns. Everyone who has been predestined has been predestined in accordance to His will.

The problem with your view, my friend, is you think the lost are looking for a way in to God’s kingdom, and all they need is a chance. That is not true at all. Lost man hates God, wants nothing to do with Him in His fallen state. They are at enmity...have an ill will towards God in their fallen state.

5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.(Romans 8)

The lost are in the flesh and can not please God.

Not every is a child of God my friend. The Philistines, Egyptians, Jebusites, Hittites, Hivites, Syrians, Assyrians, et al, we’re not God’s children.

And verse 12 says, "[we/us] having fore-hoped in Christ" and then verse 13 says, "in whom you also, having heard the word of truth, the gospel your of salvation, in whom also having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise..."

Some will get it? Some won't!

The "higher calling", that is!

Actually? It saddens me that they believe, or have been "duped" into believing, that, accepting the one who "stands in the temple", claiming to BE God, is NOT the same Christ that sez: "NO ONE comes UNTO the Father, BUT by Me!" Sure! Sure! See the Son? See the Father! From my limited understanding of english? Seeing the Father? Is NOT going UNTO the Father! (jez kidding P4T! I understands english just fine! Well? Save for those huge 50 cent words some people like using, to indicate their level of vanity of "sheepskinned" higher religiousisosity)

Tis an awful feeling, and whole of your body wrenching CONVICTION "experience." One which you had best be sitting down, and not doing anything, when it HITS ya!

Truth about this accusation is Calvin had no authority to do anything in Geneva. He referred the issue to the civil authorities. Keep in mind that the governments at that time were religious and civil authorities. The government had those condemned to death for saying Jesus was not the savior. The site you list is not in conformation to other sites discussing these events.

You make very strong accusations against Calvin that is not born out in history. You say he had people killed at a time and place he had no authority to accomplish anything. He had no government power ever. It was the government through courts that had that power. If he tried to do it he would have been arrested for attempted murder and if successful for murder. What he did was to refer the matter to the government who then executed that man.

I prefer truth to your fabrications.

I am going to post the Calvinism vs Arminianism concepts known as the Quinquarticular Controversy both sides have sites giving lengthy discussions about their 5 points with plenty of scripture references.

The early elders created the creeds to define what a Christian must believe. Knowing there were many disagreements on issues outside of them they stated those Biblical issues were to agree to disagree. Arminianism vs Calvinism is one example of these issues. The many protestant denominations where the gospel is preached is an example of this. Here is this controversy. Refute the Biblical defense each has if you can.

Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points

Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints

Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace

For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,

https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html

Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages

There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.

Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate

Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm

Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/

You seem to relegate any difference of opinion with you as almost heretical. Calvinism, Arminianism and other Christian views are to agree to disagree while accepting each other as Christians.

I was not speaking of you, or even thinking of you........don't go off on a wrong track.......

Since Calvin began his ministry, and the tulip thingy, there have been followers, and THEY identified themselves as Calvinists. Not me. And it is to this I have been directing my attention. And, I have to wonder why the heart on the sleeve reaction? Is saying that people identify themselves as followers/disciples of Calvin an accusation? If so, then they are accusing themselves.

I do not think you are understanding................my POINT is, do not identify one's self as a follower/disciple of Calvin, identify one's self as a follower/disciple of Christ. AND, it is OK to say "I'm a Christian (disciple of Christ) that believes in predestination."

There is nothing wrong with that.................I don't care if someone believes in predestination. I do not, I believe in free will.

What I do care about is when people raise up Calvin and sing his praises..........and identify themselves as one of his followers/disciples and .................. RIGHT OVER THERE stands Jesus Christ .................. and He be like, "Seriously?"

Don't follow the created, follow the Creator.........

Until today, I did not even know you believed in predestination. If you do, that is surely your right. But I also have the right to disagree.............a God given, precious gift right called free will.

You surely changed from a loving Christian attitude to the one portrayed in the quote above rather easily did you not? And, you did so in error, as I was not even speaking to or of you................

And, this idea that you and others are somehow SUPERIOR to all other men is not Christ like whatsoever........in my opinion.
I pray that you and they receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and are able to see Scripture through spiritual eyes.

Anyway, given that you went waaayyyyy out into left field on this one............I'll leave you to it...........and you can cut out the anti christ bit.............You are sure quick to belittle, berate, and condemn those who disagree with you Brother..........hmm, and someone said I was a liar for saying people do that.

there is a plethora of Historical Records to show that Calvin signed the Death Warrants of at least 58 people..........you don't even know the definition of your Screen Name, and you want to instruct others in Historical Truths? Seriously?

Uh.........p.rehbein DID NOT SAY what you are quoting........that is an ARTICLE someone wrote. I provided it as FYI...........goodness.........you guys crack me up............

I don't care what people believe, nor do I insist they believe as me to be saved. I freely encourage others to read Scripture, and through sincere prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit to come to the understanding of Scripture they believe they are led to.

You have a serious problem with reading comprehension apparently because you simply do not understand any of my comments.
But, then..............back to the SN thingy



goodness

Therefore do what the early elders stated. Outside of the creeds agree to disagree. You ignore that both Arminianism and Calvinism have directly opposing viewpoints both sides have a site defending scripturally their view!! This seems to be a problem in you and not either side of the Quinquarticular Controversy. You can't seem to accept any viewpoint other than yours. Get over it Calvinism and Arminianism are both Biblical even though they are diametrically opposed.

The wicked go astray from the womb. <--Lost

Before I brought thee forth from your mother's womb I knew thee <--Jeremiah