="posthuman, post: 3778344, member: 170505"]amen to that.
take it to heart, dude. you don't destroy the NT by quoting Mark 7:7
how can you pretend to have a spiritual understanding of this and, though you write many words, have no answer for why it is not required in the flesh? and do not apply the same understanding to the other sign of the other covenant?
is it your doctrine that an uncircumcised male who becomes a believer should become circumcised, obeying the commandment both to Abraham before the law and to Israel in the law?
Well Mark 7 is one of many scriptures which expose one of your religious doctrines as false, "the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God". You preach one thing, Jesus preaches another. That is the crux or our disagreement.
Regarding Circumcision, I believe "ALL" that is written about it.
Duet 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Duet 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Rom. 2:
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither
is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Phil. 3:
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship
God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Col. 2:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh
by the circumcision of Christ:
A true believer is already circumcised in the heart. He has already "put off the Body of sins". Already called to repentance. As the Christ promised.
"But this
shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and
write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."
And as Paul said in Romans 2:
"Circumcision profits" man if they are obedient to the Word of God. But if they are not obedient to the Word of God, then they are no different than a heathen whether they have a foreskin or not. This has always been the case, at least according to the scriptures.
You want to use Circumcision as a tool to make void God's Commandments which you have deemed beneath you, go ahead. This is Bible discussion forum. You have your religion. I disagree with it.
But of His Sabbaths it is written:
1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation
is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed
is the man
that doeth this, and the son of man
that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the son
of the stranger, (uncircumcised Gentile) that hath
joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I
am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose
the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
And again:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,
from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking
thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken
it.
And again:
6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Deception)
7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him;
and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Where did Jesus say Physical Circumcision is made for man? Where did Isaiah speak about Gentiles performing physical circumcision? And yet His Holy Sabbath is preached even to the uncircumcised.
You are free to preach anything you want and reject anything you want, same as Eve.. But the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh, is pretty clear. A circumcised man who rejects His Sabbaths is a heathen in His eyes, and an uncircumcised man that Humbles Himself to God's Sabbaths get's a name better than that of son's and daughters.
I can't do as you do, and pick and choose what Word's of God to live by and what Word's of God to reject. I am a servant and therefore am striving to "Live by" EVERY Word of God.
Since I am already circumcised in the Heart and Flesh, through the Work of God, I can now move on to the most important things.
Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,
holy, acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world (or the religions of this world) but be ye transformed
by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what
is that good, and acceptable,
and perfect, will of God.
And can you deny that this is the Will of God"
Duet. 30:
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you,
that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God,
and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou
mayest cleave unto him:
for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, like you, got all wrapped up in physical circumcision. It seems you both have "Omitted" the Weightier matter of His Law.
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