The End of a Nation

That has already happened. He has already cursed us. Knowing the end from the beginning when he set creation into motion he set the solar system with the moon in a special relationship to earth that causes eclipses to signify his condemnation. In history when an eclipse crossed from border to border that nation ceased to be as great as it was. The US was crossed by an eclipse from east to west. In 2024 there will be an eclipse from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. Those eclipses will make an X on the US. Double condemnation!! This country was started from a Christian set of colonies founded on Christian values by Christians having the freedom to worship God in the gospel preaching denomination of their choosing. The early settlers came here to get religious freedom. The pilgrims, quakers, and other groups of Christians. Today the country is almost all secular. Thus the condemnation God.

Really? God doesn't "curse" us, God is ONLY good, He doesn't "get angry" and lash out. What He does do is tell us what the result of OUR wicked actions will be if we turn from His ways and commandments for our own desires. I do agree He tells us the end from the beginning, but I also read He is at the right hand given the Name above all names, that ALL authority in heaven and on earth is His, and He is King right now ruling until everything is under His feet, and we are then means by which this takes place. We are kingdom builders by His power, for His glory. We are called to proclaim the ONLY truth, the very truth of existence that changes people’s hearts/families/communities/states/countries/EVERYTHING. This power has been demonstrated in the world for 2,000 years undeniably bringing good into this world, and we need to proclaim it more. We openly admit to all the horror done in the name of Jesus (as we should BTW, the truth is always of the upmost importance), but rarely come back with the world changing radical ideas He brought into the world that all stem directly back to Gods revelation. Love your enemy? That is not "logical" to a man in the flesh. That is not a teaching monkeys would naturally evolve to. Jesus gospel still has the same power today as it did then because it is truth and we have to stand on it as such, unashamed and with all patients and love, but in solid unwavering truth.



My point is only this, you are making God seem like us, like a human father fed up with dealing with his kids disobedience with anger. Not true, yes we are all born under the wrath of a just God, we are born spiritually dead, spiritually disconnected from God in the flesh, in sin. The message I get from what you’re saying seems like “we need to hunker down and get ready for evil to take over, it’s coming and there is nothing we can do to stop it.”(and that may be so far from how you really feel, but this is what I gathered from this comment), and I think this kind of thinking is flawed. I do not think evil will conquer the truth, or can ever overcome His work, again like the leaven in the 3 measures and the mustard seed, Gods Kingdom will stand forever, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. We are called to proclaim His victory, not His defeat on earth first. I trust the power of God and have been blessed to see it manifest right in front of my face and I must testify of it. Since the day He lead me to see things this way, it has ignited a fire inside me like never before to proclaim Jesus. I just wanted to share my point of view on the matter. Thanks and have a great Thanksgiving, all in His glorious name!!!Amen.

You seem to love the lies you tell. It isn't mindless chanting. The creeds are what a person must believe for salvation. That is why memorization is needed. Using that and selected verses a person can tell an unbeliever the gospel message. I guess you hate spreading the gospel message.

I don't don't know what Bible you are reading. There was the flood. So tell me again how God doesn't condemn and punish people.

I don't don't know what Bible you are reading. There was the flood. So tell me again how God doesn't condemn and punish people. This country was a Christian country starting with the colonies. Pilgrims, Quakers and other religious groups came here for religious freedom. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, Gary North wrote a book about the secular takeover of the Presbyterian USA by secular ministers in 1932 wanting access to the church money. All of the major protestant denominations have been taken over as well. Now only the sub denominations and independent churches still preach the gospel message. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear Jesus mentioned. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear Jesus mentioned. Currently almost half of the population goes to church. The problem is only a splinter hear the gospel message. Therefore only a splinter of people are Christians. Individuals like you and others on this site are only a fraction of the splinter of Christians left in this country. The vast majority are Secular.

Like I have said in the original op....as a nation we have embraced numerous things that BEG for the judgment of GOD.....and if JUDAH teaches us anything....it teaches us that even the RIGHTEOUS suffer when God judges a nation or kingdom.

I don't don't know what Bible you are reading. There was the flood. So tell me again how God doesn't condemn and punish people. This country was a Christian country starting with the colonies. Pilgrims, Quakers and other religious groups came here for religious freedom. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, Gary North wrote a book about the secular takeover of the Presbyterian USA by secular ministers in 1932 wanting access to the church money. All of the major protestant denominations have been taken over as well. Now only the sub denominations and independent churches still preach the gospel message. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear Jesus mentioned. Go to a Presbyterian USA church and see if you hear Jesus mentioned. Currently almost half of the population goes to church. The problem is only a splinter hear the gospel message. Therefore only a splinter of people are Christians. Individuals like you and others on this site are only a fraction of the splinter of Christians left in this country. The vast majority are Secular.

You've got it all mixed up. Believing most of the elements of the Apostles creed is essential to salvation I agree, once you remove the name of the church from it.. Didn't I read sometime back that you used to follow the teachings to Dr. Walter Martin? He was my Sunday school teacher in the 80's.

Did you miss the part in kingdom of cults about vain repetition and chanting? Of course I know the apostles creed by heart backwards and forwards and it was required by my employer to be recited once and signed. It was a loophole to prevent us from being forced to testify against the church in court. That was not the church I favored attending as I worked for a large television ministry but attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa at the time.

They simply replaced the word Catholic with Apostolic in the creed. And I sinned and swore an oath, to get a job. Even though I knew better. I feel I owe no allegiance to any church my allegiance is to Jesus alone. We do not have A Calvary Chapel in this part of the land so by default I align with the Salvation Army Corps. But attend a Methodist church for praise and worship and yet will not become a member. I belong to Jesus not a church and I will not lie and say I do.

Being able to recite an oath that someone we've never met wrote is not a sign of a circumcised heart. I feel reciting words are nearly meaningless to people that don't comprehend them. I've heard atheists' and Muslim's recite the lords or the serenity prayer without meaning a word of it. Without comprehension, words are meaning less confessing with our mouths is not enough, Believing in our hearts is the clause. I'm sure the Lord has a special place in his heart for the learning impaired as they are child like. I believe I was saved by grace. Not faith or works however that belief in saving grace accounts for my faith and after I received the love of the holy spirit it gave me a compassionate and forgiving heart. I want to help others and I'd rather talk and share about love and grace than works and laws. BECAUSE WORKS, & LAWS ARE THE DEVILS TRAPS. The only good works that can save us have already been done, on the cross. That's the most important works and by law the sin debt has been paid in blood. Love god with all heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as we do ourselves Are our new commandments. In John the first command Jesus gave us is to love one another. Not the establishment!

Secular christians is an oxymoron, unless you think it's a club or a team. If they wear a 5lb. cross and carry a 10 pound bible and go to church every day and they do not have faith or love they're still short of being a christian. It isn't a club or political party or fashion statement. It's a circumcision of the heart.

Yea I think I kind of covered that with the whole "we are all born under a just Gods wrath" statement. I do not deny that Gods righteous standard must be fulfilled. I also read how that very same God stepped into time and space to crush death and so that His kingdom could be unleased on the world, you seem to ignore this part of His story. Why? I tell you what, you just keep on preaching defeat, and I'll just stick with proclaiming His victory, and watching in amazement as His power changes people right in front of me. What you preach has no power, and leads to helplessness, what I proclaim is the power of our King to rule until ALL enemies are under His feet.

God knew the end from the begining when he created the universe. He foresaw what the people would do. He set the moon orbit to pronounce his condemnation on countries. Historically when an eclipse cross a country it was cursed and fell into ruin. The US has had an eclipse cross the country and in 2024 an eclipse will go from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities names Salem. That draws an X on the USA. To me that is God's condemnation on the USA for becoming almost completely a secular nation.

You've got it all mixed up. Believing most of the elements of the Apostles creed is essential to salvation I agree, once you remove the name of the church from it.. Didn't I read sometime back that you used to follow the teachings to Dr. Walter Martin? He was my Sunday school teacher in the 80's.

Did you miss the part in kingdom of cults about vain repetition and chanting? Of course I know the apostles creed by heart backwards and forwards and it was required by my employer to be recited once and signed. It was a loophole to prevent us from being forced to testify against the church in court. That was not the church I favored attending as I worked for a large television ministry but attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa at the time.

They simply replaced the word Catholic with Apostolic in the creed. And I sinned and swore an oath, to get a job. Even though I knew better. I feel I owe no allegiance to any church my allegiance is to Jesus alone. We do not have A Calvary Chapel in this part of the land so by default I align with the Salvation Army Corps. But attend a Methodist church for praise and worship and yet will not become a member. I belong to Jesus not a church and I will not lie and say I do.

Being able to recite an oath that someone we've never met wrote is not a sign of a circumcised heart. I feel reciting words are nearly meaningless to people that don't comprehend them. I've heard atheists' and Muslim's recite the lords or the serenity prayer without meaning a word of it. Without comprehension, words are meaning less confessing with our mouths is not enough, Believing in our hearts is the clause. I'm sure the Lord has a special place in his heart for the learning impaired as they are child like. I believe I was saved by grace. Not faith or works however that belief in saving grace accounts for my faith and after I received the love of the holy spirit it gave me a compassionate and forgiving heart. I want to help others and I'd rather talk and share about love and grace than works and laws. BECAUSE WORKS, & LAWS ARE THE DEVILS TRAPS. The only good works that can save us have already been done, on the cross. That's the most important works and by law the sin debt has been paid in blood. Love god with all heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as we do ourselves Are our new commandments. In John the first command Jesus gave us is to love one another. Not the establishment!

It is obvious to the casual observer that you are ignorant of what the Apostles Creed states. There is no mention of a church in it. The word catholic (small c) means universal. Some use that word instead to avoid the confusion.

I think the point some have been trying to make with you is that it has largely been a secular nation for a long time. You talk about how many Christians there used to be while also acknowledging that in those days, people did not have a choice. Today's numbers may simply more accurately reflect who really believes in their hearts, and confesses with their mouths, that Jesus is Lord.

It specifically says the holy catholic Church. Some may think that means Roman Catholic, but it means universal.

I understand that it has been going on for a long time. The secularization started in the 1880s. Gary North wrote a book called "Crossed Fingers" documenting that takeover by 1932 of the Presbyterian USA. I have the book and it started back then. All major denominations were secularized at the same time. He states that in his book and asks if someone would document the other denominations. I haven't heard of one.

You've got it all mixed up. Believing most of the elements of the Apostles creed is essential to salvation I agree, once you remove the name of the church from it.. Didn't I read sometime back that you used to follow the teachings to Dr. Walter Martin? He was my Sunday school teacher in the 80's.

Did you miss the part in kingdom of cults about vain repetition and chanting? Of course I know the apostles creed by heart backwards and forwards and it was required by my employer to be recited once and signed. It was a loophole to prevent us from being forced to testify against the church in court. That was not the church I favored attending as I worked for a large television ministry but attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa at the time.

They simply replaced the word Catholic with Apostolic in the creed. And I sinned and swore an oath, to get a job. Even though I knew better. I feel I owe no allegiance to any church my allegiance is to Jesus alone. We do not have A Calvary Chapel in this part of the land so by default I align with the Salvation Army Corps. But attend a Methodist church for praise and worship and yet will not become a member. I belong to Jesus not a church and I will not lie and say I do.

Being able to recite an oath that someone we've never met wrote is not a sign of a circumcised heart. I feel reciting words are nearly meaningless to people that don't comprehend them. I've heard atheists' and Muslim's recite the lords or the serenity prayer without meaning a word of it. Without comprehension, words are meaning less confessing with our mouths is not enough, Believing in our hearts is the clause. I'm sure the Lord has a special place in his heart for the learning impaired as they are child like. I believe I was saved by grace. Not faith or works however that belief in saving grace accounts for my faith and after I received the love of the holy spirit it gave me a compassionate and forgiving heart. I want to help others and I'd rather talk and share about love and grace than works and laws. BECAUSE WORKS, & LAWS ARE THE DEVILS TRAPS. The only good works that can save us have already been done, on the cross. That's the most important works and by law the sin debt has been paid in blood. Love god with all heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as we do ourselves Are our new commandments. In John the first command Jesus gave us is to love one another. Not the establishment!

You've got it all mixed up. Believing most of the elements of the Apostles creed is essential to salvation I agree, once you remove the name of the church from it.. Didn't I read sometime back that you used to follow the teachings to Dr. Walter Martin? He was my Sunday school teacher in the 80's.

Did you miss the part in kingdom of cults about vain repetition and chanting? Of course I know the apostles creed by heart backwards and forwards and it was required by my employer to be recited once and signed. It was a loophole to prevent us from being forced to testify against the church in court. That was not the church I favored attending as I worked for a large television ministry but attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa at the time.

They simply replaced the word Catholic with Apostolic in the creed. And I sinned and swore an oath, to get a job. Even though I knew better. I feel I owe no allegiance to any church my allegiance is to Jesus alone. We do not have A Calvary Chapel in this part of the land so by default I align with the Salvation Army Corps. But attend a Methodist church for praise and worship and yet will not become a member. I belong to Jesus not a church and I will not lie and say I do.

Being able to recite an oath that someone we've never met wrote is not a sign of a circumcised heart. I feel reciting words are nearly meaningless to people that don't comprehend them. I've heard atheists' and Muslim's recite the lords or the serenity prayer without meaning a word of it. Without comprehension, words are meaning less confessing with our mouths is not enough, Believing in our hearts is the clause. I'm sure the Lord has a special place in his heart for the learning impaired as they are child like. I believe I was saved by grace. Not faith or works however that belief in saving grace accounts for my faith and after I received the love of the holy spirit it gave me a compassionate and forgiving heart. I want to help others and I'd rather talk and share about love and grace than works and laws. BECAUSE WORKS, & LAWS ARE THE DEVILS TRAPS. The only good works that can save us have already been done, on the cross. That's the most important works and by law the sin debt has been paid in blood. Love god with all heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as we do ourselves Are our new commandments. In John the first command Jesus gave us is to love one another. Not the establishment!

Never heard of him. Are you telling me the Presbyterian PCA denomination is a cult? Did you bother to read history about the early elders about why they created the creeds? They were used in evangelism. That and selected scriptures. Back then books were very expensive and people memorized a lot of information in order to be literate.

James discusses the relationship between faith and works. Did you ever read that? Here is a relationship between faith and works. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. This faith produces works. James states faith without works is dead. He then states he will show you his faith by his works.

You've got it all mixed up. Believing most of the elements of the Apostles creed is essential to salvation I agree, once you remove the name of the church from it.. Didn't I read sometime back that you used to follow the teachings to Dr. Walter Martin? He was my Sunday school teacher in the 80's.

Did you miss the part in kingdom of cults about vain repetition and chanting? Of course I know the apostles creed by heart backwards and forwards and it was required by my employer to be recited once and signed. It was a loophole to prevent us from being forced to testify against the church in court. That was not the church I favored attending as I worked for a large television ministry but attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa at the time.

They simply replaced the word Catholic with Apostolic in the creed. And I sinned and swore an oath, to get a job. Even though I knew better. I feel I owe no allegiance to any church my allegiance is to Jesus alone. We do not have A Calvary Chapel in this part of the land so by default I align with the Salvation Army Corps. But attend a Methodist church for praise and worship and yet will not become a member. I belong to Jesus not a church and I will not lie and say I do.

Being able to recite an oath that someone we've never met wrote is not a sign of a circumcised heart. I feel reciting words are nearly meaningless to people that don't comprehend them. I've heard atheists' and Muslim's recite the lords or the serenity prayer without meaning a word of it. Without comprehension, words are meaning less confessing with our mouths is not enough, Believing in our hearts is the clause. I'm sure the Lord has a special place in his heart for the learning impaired as they are child like. I believe I was saved by grace. Not faith or works however that belief in saving grace accounts for my faith and after I received the love of the holy spirit it gave me a compassionate and forgiving heart. I want to help others and I'd rather talk and share about love and grace than works and laws. BECAUSE WORKS, & LAWS ARE THE DEVILS TRAPS. The only good works that can save us have already been done, on the cross. That's the most important works and by law the sin debt has been paid in blood. Love god with all heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor as we do ourselves Are our new commandments. In John the first command Jesus gave us is to love one another. Not the establishment!