A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

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Hevosmies

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And they went their ways... one to their TULIP farm.

Oy vey!
 
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Why pray if everything has already been predetermined.
Whatzit's name said:

john146 is a known heretic; an Open Theist, KJVO cultist, casts doubt on God's word, God's Gospel, God's character and attributes.

He is, in fact, at enmity with God and his Gospel. It's best to leave him alone and not engage him in his unrepentant and arrogant warfare against God. Perhaps God will bring him out of the snare unto repentance.

My hero!

"Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead" (I Peter 4:4-5).
 
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And they went their ways... one to their TULIP farm.

Oy vey!
It's amazing you refuse to back up your claims against the Gospel, taking Scripture out of context, mock theology (theobabble as you call it). Instead you continue on with callow post after callow post, incapable of addressing the responses I've given you.

You go about, blindly.

You have no commentators to back up your false claims concerning Cornelius, your bad take on 2 Peter 3:9 and Romans 3. Nor do you understand Romans 11:28, but carry on as if nothing happened and you really just do not care in the least about context in God's word: It is what you believe and say that is important: context be accursed, thus truth is cast aside in favor of your false assumptions and traditions.

You've been exposed, your gospel is that God chooses people because they've done good, an attack on God's Gospel, His Son, and His word.

You too are at enmity with the Gospel of God and cannot prove any of your aforementioned positions or back them up with any commentator.

Since you refuse to answer any contextual exegetical truth, and carry on in ignorance and rebellion, time to file you away, there is nothing profitable in anything you have to say.
 

Hevosmies

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Whatzit's name said:

john146 is a known heretic; an Open Theist, KJVO cultist, casts doubt on God's word, God's Gospel, God's character and attributes.

He is, in fact, at enmity with God and his Gospel. It's best to leave him alone and not engage him in his unrepentant and arrogant warfare against God. Perhaps God will bring him out of the snare unto repentance.

My hero!

"Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead" (I Peter 4:4-5).
Calvinist whining about someone being in heresy or sinning. Oh the irony.
God PREDESTINATED it would occur.
They are literally complaining about God's eternal decree. BE CAREFUL NOW

I find it hard to believe anyone actually falls for this stuff. Its ridicilous. God has predestinated ALL sin to occur. Its not my fault.

You know the saying "Devil made me do it"? In calvinism its "God made me do it". (If they were consistent, obviously they deny this and tapdance around second causes and all other theobabble)
The devil is permanently unemployed. Who needs a devil when you got the calvinist version of God? I thought it was the devil that tempts people to evil, not God as the bible states?
But let me guess calvies: The devil does do it, God simply "decrees" it happens, but He is not the cause of that temptation? right?: Yeah.
That makes sense.
 
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Calvinist whining about someone being in heresy or sinning. Oh the irony.
God PREDESTINATED it would occur.
They are literally complaining about God's eternal decree. BE CAREFUL NOW
2 Peter 2:9.

And we are to rebuke heresy which includes your teaching, as to warn others. Many Scriptures on this as well, we just happen to believe and obey them, not mock them as you are doing.
 

Hevosmies

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2 Peter 2:9.

And we are to rebuke heresy which includes your teaching, as to warn others. Many Scriptures on this as well, we just happen to believe and obey them, not mock them as you are doing.
Be consistent please.

There is no chance anyone will be trapped in my alleged heresy if they are elect.

You are wasting your time. CONSISTENSY please.

Warning anyone is useless, the elect will make it anyway. God will make sure of it.
 
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Calvinist whining about someone being in heresy or sinning. Oh the irony.
God PREDESTINATED it would occur.
They are literally complaining about God's eternal decree. BE CAREFUL NOW

I find it hard to believe anyone actually falls for this stuff. Its ridicilous. God has predestinated ALL sin to occur. Its not my fault.

You know the saying "Devil made me do it"? In calvinism its "God made me do it". (If they were consistent, obviously they deny this and tapdance around second causes and all other theobabble)
The devil is permanently unemployed. Who needs a devil when you got the calvinist version of God? I thought it was the devil that tempts people to evil, not God as the bible states?
But let me guess calvies: The devil does do it, God simply "decrees" it happens, but He is not the cause of that temptation? right?: Yeah.
That makes sense.
Whatzit doesn't like us to quote the Bible unless we quote his version . . . God so loved the elect that he gave . . .

One of the most quoted axioms from "The Art of War" is some variant on the theme: "When your opponent is in the process of destroying himself, stay out of his way."

I can only imagine how readers of this thread are interpreting his actions.
 

John146

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Calvinist whining about someone being in heresy or sinning. Oh the irony.
God PREDESTINATED it would occur.
They are literally complaining about God's eternal decree. BE CAREFUL NOW

I find it hard to believe anyone actually falls for this stuff. Its ridicilous. God has predestinated ALL sin to occur. Its not my fault.

You know the saying "Devil made me do it"? In calvinism its "God made me do it". (If they were consistent, obviously they deny this and tapdance around second causes and all other theobabble)
The devil is permanently unemployed. Who needs a devil when you got the calvinist version of God? I thought it was the devil that tempts people to evil, not God as the bible states?
But let me guess calvies: The devil does do it, God simply "decrees" it happens, but He is not the cause of that temptation? right?: Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yep, every rape, murder and child molesting is the admirable counsel of God at work.
 

trofimus

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The future decisions of man are not knowledge until the decision comes to pass.
Why? Do you believe that human decisions are random, without any predictable causes?
 

trofimus

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Jeremiah 16
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

If you do this, then I will do this. Your decision will set in course what I will do unto you.
I have not found this text in the Septuagint. Jeremiah in the masoretic text is very different from Jeremiah in the Septuagint and is much longer.
I am afraid that your proof text is an addition.

But even if it is true, I think you have a continuous problem with understanding that Bible is written from human view point.
 

trofimus

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Warning anyone is useless, the elect will make it anyway. God will make sure of it.
You are again, again, again and again using the lazy reason sophism even though I told you several times its just a sophism...

Events will not happen without or against causes, but because there will be causes leading to the events.

Warning the elects will cause that elects will make it.
 

John146

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Why? Do you believe that human decisions are random, without any predictable causes?
Not random, and yes, some predictable causes. God knows what you are inclined to do for He knows you better than you know yourself. He knew what Abraham was inclined to do, but put him to the test to see if Abraham would go through with it.
 

trofimus

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Not random, and yes, some predictable causes. God knows what you are inclined to do for He knows you better than you know yourself. He knew what Abraham was inclined to do, but put him to the test to see if Abraham would go through with it.
You are contradicting yourself, then.

If our decisions are predictable and made based on causes (i.e. are not random), then God is able to predict them perfectly just by following the chain of causes in His mind.
 

Lillywolf

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I pray hypocritically, amen
I pray sarcastically, amen
I pray with fakery, amen
I pray disrespectfully, amen

and amen

can I get an amen?
Not among Christians. But now that we know your identity I think you should not be allowed here. Your screen name was enough of a warning. Now your own words speak louder than that.
I rebuke your prayers. Renounce your amen for it insults those of us who pray in the spirit of righteousness.
And recall and invoke the words of our precious Lord when he rebuked Peter who was overtaken in the moment; "GET BEHIND ME SATAN!"
 
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Not random, and yes, some predictable causes. God knows what you are inclined to do for He knows you better than you know yourself. He knew what Abraham was inclined to do, but put him to the test to see if Abraham would go through with it.
I sense bats flying freely in Nero's belfry . . .
 

Lillywolf

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I lied, to you, the same way I always do

You've finally decided to drop the mask and appear as the disciple of the enemy that you now demonstrate in those two posts. I've brought you to the attention of others. God see's you. As do we all now.
 

Hevosmies

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I pray hypocritically, amen
I pray sarcastically, amen
I pray with fakery, amen
I pray disrespectfully, amen

and amen

can I get an amen?

I lied, to you, the same way I always do
if thats the case, why pray at all?

Also, anointed sinner. Well you just admitted to being a sinner, join the club. But what are you anointed FOR actually?