A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

Their faith is not based on those creeds they use a camouflage. But rather is based on necromancy and doing despite to the grace of God .(Limb purgatory)

They do not accept the faith that comes from hearing God as in all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) but rather make it the faith of Christ without effect. Trusting in another teaching master the "sacred law of the fathers", which Christ called a brood of vipers as oral traditions of men. No man can serve two teaching masters as a law not subject to change .

Unless you trust in the divine sacred law of the fathers as it is written below as a law of men

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Transmission of …
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal.

"God is in control"

Consider this "illustration" "EXTREMELY SIMPLISTIC", yet, fairly accurate, in its execution.

It's "like" herding cattle! And God is the drover! Singing "Rawhide!" "Ride 'em in!" "Cut 'em out!" "Ride 'em wide!" "Cut 'em in!" etc. etc.

Now! When God sees, a particular part of "the herd", that needs "tending to", and addresses it? Does this mean that "turning His attention", is "changing His mind? I THINK not!

This is AS APPLICABLE, in the individual sense, as it is in the corporate sense, to which I was illustrating.

Using "scionism" (a term I have never previously even heard of) in reverse!

Which is usually replied with: "WHATTTT??!?!" "You called my Mama a COW??!!?!?"

It is just here that I previously made a post about the fact that there is also a verse in Ephesians [with regard to "the Church which is His body" presently in existence per Eph1:20-23 WHEN] that uses the word "fore-hoped," that is in Ephesians 1:12. [meaning, before Christ's earthly presence/resurrection/exaltation/etc...]

So with regard to the word "foreknow [/foreknew]" in Romans 11:2, consider the following quote by Gaebelein, who I believe gets this right (for its usage in THIS Romans 11:2 context [my words in brackets]):

[quoting]

"Romans 11:1

"In view of the preceding chapter on Israel’s rejection, the question is asked “Hath God cast away His People?” Is there nothing more in store for national Israel? God forbid. If it were so, God’s gifts and calling would be subject to repentance and He would not be the faithful, covenant-keeping God. He foreknew His people Israel and that foreknowledge embraced all their sad history of failure and apostasy. The Apostle Paul speaks of himself as an Israelite of the seed of Abraham. He demonstrates in his own experience the fact that God hath not cast away His people. Hating Christ, having zeal for God without knowledge, a persecutor of the church, he had obtained mercy that in him Jesus Christ might show forth all long-suffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on Him (1Timothy 1:16). His unique conversion must be looked upon as a prophetic type of the conversion of the remnant of Israel, when the Lord comes. As Saul of Tarsus saw Him in the glory-light, so the Israel living in the day of the second Coming of Christ will behold Him (Zechariah 12:10; Revelation 1:7). This vision will result in their national conversion. [my comment: I believe their "conversion" occurs before the point of His Second Coming to the earth, and DURING the specific trib years, and that these are who carry the Matt24:14(26:13) MESSAGE during the trib (leading up to His Second Coming to the earth--"the Church which is His body" not then being present on the earth; and that "INVITATION" message is (at that time) FOR/TO "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth commencing upon His 'RETURN']," i.e. the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom]

"Romans 11:2-6

"The time of Elias was one of the darkest Periods of their history. it seemed as if the whole nation had apostatized from God. Elias had this conception when he complained in his despondency. “They have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.” The Lord told him then that there were seven thousand men who had not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. The apostasy of Israel was not a complete apostasy. The Lord had preserved a faithful remnant. Even so at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. In the beginning of this present age there was in existence a distinctive Jewish remnant. This Jewish-Christian remnant in the beginning of the dispensation was an evidence that God had not cast away His people. A similar remnant of believing Jews will be called for a definite work and testimony during the end of the age. And throughout this Christian dispensation it has been abundantly demonstrated that God has not cast away His ancient people, for thousands of them have been saved by grace and have become members of the body of Christ."

--Arno C Gaebelein, Commentary on Romans [source: Bible Hub]

[end quoting, bold and underline mine]

He has another article called something like "the jewish question" [the context here]

...and so Bible Hub also has (at "G4267 - proginóskó ), the passage I had included earlier in one of these threads (on this topic) :

[quoting from Bible Hub]

"[See also Jer 18:8-10 on the perfect harmony of divine sovereignty and human freedom.]"

I take it as God never remembers it again as stated. Do you think Holy God has the thoughts of our sin in His mind as we are with Him in heaven? Do you believe God will look upon us in heaven and know all the sins we had committed on earth but just won't bring them up ever again?

He gets a pass . . . he wasn't a Calvinist.

I see it as the following Scripture states:

Jeremiah 18
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

If you do this, then I will respond this way...now choose. You will not catch our Lord off guard. He knows exactly how to respond to each and every decision all men make concerning His word.

Erasmus believed in free will! he even debated Martin Luther about it!

And then Erasmus wrote a devotion of his Textus Receptus to the pope.

That is "dedication" not "devotion". And it makes no difference to the end result. You could dedicate a book to pope Francis, but it would make no difference if it was truth. Hopefully he would forsake his evil ways.

Erasmus was a nominal Catholic and eventually joined the Protestants. He mocked the Catholic church for all the nonsense of the clergy.

Ok, dedication, not devotion, my English falls short here.

But I wonder why the KJVO crowd makes so hysterical statements about the committee of Nestlé Aland, where is just one catholic present between protestants, and happily use the text made by just one man - a Roman Catholic priest and even with a dedication to the pope in the beginning... my brain freezes in this.

He called The Message a train wreck, so I responded in kind. I am sorry I stooped to his level. Seeing that I have many King James Bibles in my possession, I am hardly King James Bible never. I am King James Bible rarely, as, in my opinion, there are several other versions better than it. But I have a Dake's Annotated in the King James(if not a Christmas gift 13 years ago I would have burned it), a Hebrew-Greek study bible King James that was by Spiros Zodhiates(sp?), I have a Thompson Chain King James, I have the Subject Bible in the King James(Everett Gaddy and Jerry Goff did an infomercial about it several years ago and my mother-in-law bought one for me several Christmases ago) I have two or three Nelson Reference bibles in King James, I have the King James study bible from Nelson, too.

Which verse are you referring to, my friend? Jeremiah 1:5 or Ephesians 1:4?

Those who God has foreknown are the ones He selected, or chose, or elected. God's foreknowledge is what election is based upon.

In Romans 11:2, I will post it in the King James

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

God has not foreknown everybody whoever lived. Look at the times he destroyed the people of Israel. Yet, those Jews He has foreknown, He has never cast away. In Romans 9:6 Paul wrote Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Not every Israelite whoever lived is considered a true Jew in God's eye. The true Jew is the person who has had the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit of God. Not every Jew had this circumcision of the heart. This also includes the Gentiles as well. The true Jew is the Jew and Gentile who has had the circumcision of the heart.(Romans 2:28,29) He knows everybody whoever lived, but only foreknows His people by foreknowledge.

My friend, I said that Adam represented the whole human race when he fell in the Garden. All of man kind, both sheep and goats, elect and non-elect, were represented by Adam. I am sorry I did not make that clear. My apology.

Here's a handy way of doing research for Greek.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+8:29&version=MOUNCE

I have been learning Greek via the internet(the hard way) and also through Dr. Mounce. He has a bunch of Greek DVD's you can learn from.

The word used for chose in Ephesians 1:4 is ἐκλέγομαι (eklegomai) which means to pick out; in NT to choose, select, Lk. 6:13; 10:42; in NT to choose out as the recipients of special favor and privilege, Acts 13:17; 1 Cor. 1:27 . I got this from..


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:4&version=MOUNCE

If you will click of the gray word under the darker English word, it expands to give the Greek word, its meaning and verses that also have that word in it.

My friend, I do not use other versions to fit my theology. I find the sovereignty of God and the responsibility for man for his sin and subsequent actions, in any version I read. I use other versions as I find them easier to comprehend, seeing I do not speak like they did at the time the King James Bible was written and printed.

I have never heard someone ask me for a wimple or a crisping pin.
I have never seen a unicorn, either, other than on TV(which is obviously not the unicorn spoken of in the bible).
When was the last time you assayed to go somewhere?
When was the last time you went somewhere with those of the baser sort?
When was the last time you suffered someone to come onto your property?
When was the last time you had to trow things through?

The King James Bible has many words in it that one would need an thesaurus to understand what the writer was conveying to those he wrote to.