Repentance , the Salvation journey part two .

I've offered no apology so now you're not only giving up false teaching, but are also bearing false witness. I've also addressed each false point you've made, and what are you doing? Bearing more false witness claiming I've not addressed the topic.

Now, man up and prove your theories biblically where I've shown your error. The points you are teaching are false, any person with Biblical acumen can see that.

Now you're getting out of control.

Then why do you want to show others of these steps yet don't speak upon your own experience with them and the stage your on. Is there not power in testimonies.

Hello LPT,
It seems to me the preceding verse answers your question, where if we love one another, then we know that we have His Spirit.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

I've chosen this way to shine light on the true path , because it leaves the integrity of pisteuo , faithing , or the surrendered life intact .

If I were to share the things God has done to me as the result of a surrendered life , good or bad , it could make faithing into Christ even harder than it already is .

Example , I come on here and say , " I Surrendered my life to Christ and He blessed me with a billion dollars . Now if you heard that , subconsciously you might attempt to surrender your life with the expectation of at some point recieving a billion dollars . Well that isn't a true surrendered life , that would be a business deal , or some kind of vending machine process .

The surrendered life needs to be genuine , and supported by all of our daily decisions , without any expectations of anything in return .

This is why I use the method I use . I get it , people don't like to be told their on the wrong path. But thanks to God , they now know and have a chance if they can be honest with themselves .

If this way of pointing out stumbling blocks doesn't work , probably nothing will .

What exactly does "fitting" mean in this sentence? Are you trying to tell us you studied at Stanford for 32 years, or you were a professor there, or you used to go for coffee there before hitting the stacks.?

I'm working on a PhD, and nothing you are saying has the slightest hint of a Master's or Bachelor's degree, let alone a PhD.

Then, there is the whole issue of Stanford being apostate, with whole centers for the study of Buddhism and Islam, philosophy* and a lot of syncretism? Or basically a very, very little bit of Jesus?

This from their ads for prospective students:

"The Department of Religious Studies brings a variety of disciplinary perspectives to bear on the phenomenon of religion for the purpose of understanding and interpreting the history, literature, thought, social structures, and practices of the religious traditions of the world. Comprised of a dozen regular faculty with particular strengths in the study of Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism...

Religious Studies works closely with several related programs at Stanford: the Department of Philosophy, with which it offers a combined undergraduate major; the Ho Center for Buddhist Studies; the Taube Center for Jewish Studies; the Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies; the McCoy Center for Ethics in Society; and the Center for Medieval and Early Modern Studies"

And this, concerning their choice of leaders;

"Stanford's Anti-Christian Lesbian Ordained Priest

Two years ago, Stanford University hired their atheist "chaplain" John Figdor, and now, the new Dean for Religious Life is likewise an alumni of Harvard Divinity School: Jane Shaw is an ordained priest of the Church of England, and a self-declared lesbian, who says that churches must stop "doing religion all the time" and welcome people without converting them.

If you really went there, which I doubt, you have been infuenced by a totally apostate divinity school. However, in view of your poor writing skills, let's just leave this little misstep as a lie. Hmm, I wonder if that is a reportable offence?


*Not saying that philosophy isn't valuable. Questioning the KIND of worldview one might study in philosophy at Stanford.

Pisteuo the circumised instrument statement came in from left field, that was a bazaar thing to say what did you mean by that?

It refers to your question about seeing my secret personal relationship with Christ .

Remember , the Jews trying to see if Luke Was circumcized in the bathroom . I think it was Luke !

Anyway , probably not the best way to make my point .

You do it anyways because a true surrendered life is between them and God as well not just your own.

you can hinder things by worring rather you should tell people you been blessed with a billion dollars. God works on people's hearts in different ways depending on what they are struggling with. If a person has a habit of being jealous over what others have no doubt he can use someone like you but if your are concern with telling your story how useful are you being to God.

I get it, you don't want to discourage people and think they will get a billion and they end up owing a billion dollars, but the other side of the coin is they may need to hear it regardless of your own personal opinion of it might be, good or bad.

Where's part one?

I used a worldly , most sought after example , a billion dollars . What if I said , I surrendered my life to God and testified to all the hardships , the things that no person would want to experience , much less surrender their lives for . That is the other side of the coin .

What I'm presenting to you and the others here " is " my testimony .

The problem in a nutshell , is that God sees us from " A " to " Z " , " A " being what God wants first , the surrendered life , or pisteuo .
While we as humans beings see God from " Z " to " A " , " Z " being what we want first , the Spirit of Christ .

The questions your asking are not the right ones . Your trying to get a peek at " Z " , when you should be focusing on " A " .

The thread Rom. 8:9 and our walk with Christ .

Ill bump it .

I get it but one man's hardship can be barely a scratch compared to another man's hardship.

I haven't mentioned the step I'm on per say, so to say I'm not focusing on A is quite a profound thing to say.

Would you want me to say to you, you are Not focusing on A but trying to peek into Z.

Could have a point there how many people me included, talk to others with the same respect as they would want to be talked to.

post agrees with (1); repentance ≠ faith in Christ because one may repent without faith or repent with faith - with faith in anything. wouldn't go so far to say one can believe God and not repent tho. wouldn't say it's impossible, either, making allowances for the insane ((hey don't laugh, i probably mean you!)) - because yeah, believe Christ and not repent? that's insane, if you realize what you're doing.

not sure i agree with (2): repentance may be simultaneous with the Spirit entering in and beginning work, or may be afterward as the Spirit gives understanding and knowledge. i would like to see a logical proof. that no one seeks Him and each goes his own way by carnal nature may speak to the contrary, if we look specifically as repenting ((turning away)) from evil and towards God - does natural man do this without the Spirit moving him? but repenting from some specific habit or mindset, natural man does easily enough without the intervention of the Spirit of God; it's what dieting essentially is for example. people do such 'repenting' out of their vanity daily.





ok now to start reading the thread lol

Do you realize you "and" your household is what could be at stake here ? If I saw a truck flying down the road and God forbid I could see you and you household in the path of that truck , I'm going to do what I have to in order to get your attention , and you wouldn't chastise me for my tone . After that it's up to you .

Ya , read my posts in this thread carefully .

That's an assumption me and my household is at stake.

All of ours are .

It only takes a little faith to move a mountain.

But it has to be " real " Faith . And the knowledge of what real Faith is , and how to apply it , has been lost for a long time .