Speaking in tongues

Tongues, God brining new prophecy in respect to the language of all the nations of the world .Is a sign against the unbelieving Jew that made the word of God (prophecy) to no effect by the oral traditions of men .

No sign gifts to those who walk by faith the unseen eternal. Without his faith working in us to both will and do his good pleasure we could never find the spiritual understanding hid in His parables. Now that we have the whole or perfect with no laws missing by which we could know God not seen more adequately. The 20/20 prescription below must be applied to the parables.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

let's talk about the other gifts because there are already 101 arguments (notice I didn't say debates) going on already with regards to tongues

you know, it's your neighborhood after all and you might ask the neighborhood why

how would we know

so, what do you think of the gift of discerning of spirits? that oughtta make for interesting opinions

This looks like religious phrase salad. It's like you took a bunch of religious phrases, mixed them up randomly in a bowl, and threw them on a plate.

So, would you have us believe that the men who performed signs in the Bible, Paul, Peter and the other of the twelve apostles, Philip, and other saints not mentioned by name, and even the Lord Jesus did not have faith, but that you have faith because you don't do signs? I don't think you'll get anyone to accept that idea.

How about another thread on gifts besides tongues?

Tongues are prophecy (the word of God) To prophesy prophecy is declare the word of God the gospel of our salvation . It is a gift that keeps on giving. New prophecy or new revelations after any manner to include tongues (God bringing his word in other languages other that Hebrew) has ceased, because again, new prophecy has ceased .

Fallacy: circular reasoning. And, once again, prophecy is clearly distinguished from tongues in 1 Corinthians.

I think signs are designed for those who rebel by refusing to hear prophecy . Prophesying... prophecy.... which is declaring the will of God is for those who believe God it comes by exercising their new faith that comes from hearing him.

I must of forgot. Where is this difference listed?

Let's think this through: if tongues are prophecy, as you say, then those who are rebelling against prophecy and seeking tongues then they are seeking prophecy. That is nonsensical.

1 Corinthians 12 and 14 both talk about tongues and prophecy as separate gifts.

Excuse me please do not comment on my response with an insult. Your opinion provided no context to what they other gentlemen and I were speaking about. Please troll another. Your tactics are old. I will not for one stand for it any longer. Thank you

The way you presented it, yes...... no sence

No such thing as sign gifts .Signs are designed for those who rebel against the word of God(prophecy) . never to support it

It would seem that you might be a little confused. I said. tongues (God speak king in all the languages of the world mocking the Jew that mocked His prophecy with the oral traditions of the fathers and kings. It is a sign against those who refuse to believe prophecy .

No outward sign for those who do believe God not seen as it is written just a changed of the heart.... as that which God looks to.

For some reason or other those who do seek after a sign needed to verify the Holy Spirit is working They turn the law upside down.
This people in respect to the sign in the verse below are clearly those who refuse hear prophecy. The apostate unbelieving Jews were known for turning things upside down.... not understanding that signs are designed for those who believe not (no faith).

Faith comes by hearing prophecy . Not from hearing God mock them speaking the language of all the nations of the world which before the sign was Hebrew alone. They still refused to hear what the Spirit was saying to the churches as spoke in the language of all the nations each one hearing the gospel in their own tongue as God's understanding freely given to them

In the law (not just a good theory) it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they "not hear" me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a "sign", not to them that believe, (Christians ) but to them that believe not (non Christians having no faith needed to believe ) but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not,(non Christians having no faith needed to believe ) but for them which believe.(Christians ) 1 Corinthians 14:21-22

Those who seek after the oral tradition of men as a law of the father men are not seeking prophecy. They make prophecy to no effect with the oral traditions of the fathers and kings

I gift of faith given to those who believe prophecy.

I could wish you a good day and you would find an insult in the post.

The bible never gets old.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Mute point. Acts 2 tongues ended.

Most fail to attribute true tongues to multi lingual persons.

Just ill advised behavior desperately seeking justification.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

First, it's a little disingenuous to ask, "I must of forgot. Where is this difference listed?" and when I show you, you disregard it.

1 Corinthians 12:4 says, "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them."

Verses 7 to 11 say, "Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines."

the gift of faith is separate from tongues, separate from prophecy, separate from the others. Those who are filled with the Holy Spirit and gifted by Him are not seeking "after the oral tradition of men as a law of the father men are (sic) not seeking prophecy".

I don't think I said there are not different gifts distributed by one Spirit of faith, Christ's,. as a work of His faith .

What I am saying is there is no such thing as a "sign gift" .(Charismaticism)

Signs are designed for those who rebel. Those having "no faith" that comes from hearing God .But rather trust in the oral traditions of the fathers and kings.

Prophecy is for those who believe God. No outward sign but rather a contrite heart that God looks upon.

Again nothing about a "sign gift" as some sort of evidence of something. All of the work is attributed to God not seen (the same Spirit ). The gift is of God not after man seen.

Tongues, God brining new prophecy in all the languages of the world is before he finished the last book.

The gift of faith (not of ourselves ) is that we can hear prophecy the word of God as His words give us ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. Previously having no faith. None, zero not a little.

Those who do not have the gift of faith seek after the oral traditions of men . Like with the tongues doctrine . The sign is against them that believe not prophecy.

They simply turn it upside down and make it a sign for believers inspired from earth and therefore take away the understanding of faith (Christ's)

It is an evil generation, natural unconverted man that does require a sign before they will believe. (exercise faith)

They made a mockery of Christ as if he was a circus seal .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Christ rebuked them for requiring a sign before they would exercise faith. (walking by sight)

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Sometimes I wonder if you and I are reading the same Bible. 1 Corinthians 14 makes it clear that prophecy by the Holy Spirit is an "outward" gift, not merely in the heart. Verse 22 calls prophecy a sign for believers. It baffles me how you can read that and then claim that there are no "sign gifts". Prophecy and tongues are gifts. They are for signs. Therefore they are sign gifts. Case closed!

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Garee,

You are confused about this. Tongues is for believers. 'Divers tongues' is listed among the gifts that are given 'to profit withal.' In I Corinthians 14, if speaking in tongues is interpreted, we see that it edifies others. Paul wrote that tongues are a sign, not for them that believe, but for them that believe not. So tongues are for believers, but they are a sign for unbelievers.

Doing miracles does not make on an unbeliever. Seeing miracles or appreciating miracles does not make one an unbeliever. Paul even used miracles as part of a theological argument in Galatians 3:5 "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? "

The apostles doing miracles does not prove that they lacked faith. In fact, when Peter believed, he could walk on water. When he doubted, he sank.

Notice that. Not believing in God to work miracles was a reflection of his doubt and little faith. It was not evidence of spiritual superiority.

If it is a sign for unbelievers, why is it done in closets, in churches, only certain times on Sundays (scheduled times) and funny thing is that it always follows a certain format for each person; i mean, if a person uses Bs and Ks in their tongue, it will always be Bs and Ks and if another uses Zs and Rs, it will always be that, week in and week out clearly showing that there's no particular message in it but it something that is well memorized.

Q. How is it a sign for unbelievers if unbelievers don't understand what is being said?