Not By Works

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Studyman

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Mixing grace with works is NOT what God tells us to do. It is BY His grace, that we are saved FOR good works.. Good works won't get you into heaven. Nor will they secure you a ticket to salvation..

I dunno where you get this from, but it's absolute bull :poop::poop:..

I believe the preaching that Everyone born who says "Lord, Lord, is saved, is a deceit. This is what the serpent convinced Eve of. I also believe as the Christ teaches, that we are to LIVE by EVERY WORD which comes from the mouth of God. So while I agree that I had nothing to do with the creation of His Grace, not by righteousness that I have done. That nothing I can do will save me. I've said over and over, Only the Blood of the Christ saves. But NOT EVERYONE receives this Grace. To say they do is a lie Megenta. There are "many" who call the Christ "Lord, Lord, who will not receive God's Grace. Why? Who doesn't receive this "free gift"?

Now should I go to the Pope to find out who receives this Grace? Decon, shall I lay my life and the life of my family on the words of Decon?

So I know what Decon teaches, I know what the Pope teaches, they are all saved and they had no part or choice whatsoever in their own salvation.

But what does the Christ say?

Luke 6:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever ( Jew or Gentile) cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

This is why Zechariahs knew the Christ when He came, and Saul and the Pharisees did not. So it's not me who says not everyone who claims belief in the Christ is saved, it is my Master, and I believe Him, All His Words.

Matt. 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven (receive His Grace) but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:

Think about this Magenta. These people had been taught that they were saved. That they were all set. They gave the Christ credit for everything they did. They were "many" and did everything in Christ's name, gave the Christ the glory for everything they did.

But the Christ didn't even know them. They thought HE did? they believed He did. They were convinced His Grace was given to them.

But they were deceived just like Eve. There were convinced they were saved, and that God's instructions were not important, so they rejected them and created their own religious works.

And what did they get for holding up the Christ and giving Him all the credit? Placing His Name on the images of God they created maybe. Placing His Name on their own High Days maybe?

"depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

So they had works as do we all. But their works were transgressing God's Commandments.

I don't believe any of the Christ's Words are Bull****.

This has been an argument among religious men since Cain.

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
 

Studyman

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If we are " In Christ " We can never lose our salvation cause we didnt earn it !!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think you can lose it , that means you believe your doing something to earn it !!!!!
Rom. 11:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matt.24:
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Gen. 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
 
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theanointedsinner

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I may not be able to hear God yet, but I think it seems convincing who goes to the ignore list
 
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theanointedsinner

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the law is nothing but a diagnosis revealing the problem
hi grace
 

blue_ladybug

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I believe the preaching that Everyone born who says "Lord, Lord, is saved, is a deceit. This is what the serpent convinced Eve of. I also believe as the Christ teaches, that we are to LIVE by EVERY WORD which comes from the mouth of God. So while I agree that I had nothing to do with the creation of His Grace, not by righteousness that I have done. That nothing I can do will save me. I've said over and over, Only the Blood of the Christ saves. But NOT EVERYONE receives this Grace. To say they do is a lie Megenta. There are "many" who call the Christ "Lord, Lord, who will not receive God's Grace. Why? Who doesn't receive this "free gift"?

Now should I go to the Pope to find out who receives this Grace? Decon, shall I lay my life and the life of my family on the words of Decon?

So I know what Decon teaches, I know what the Pope teaches, they are all saved and they had no part or choice whatsoever in their own salvation.

But what does the Christ say?

Luke 6:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever ( Jew or Gentile) cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

This is why Zechariahs knew the Christ when He came, and Saul and the Pharisees did not. So it's not me who says not everyone who claims belief in the Christ is saved, it is my Master, and I believe Him, All His Words.

Matt. 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven (receive His Grace) but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:

Think about this Magenta. These people had been taught that they were saved. That they were all set. They gave the Christ credit for everything they did. They were "many" and did everything in Christ's name, gave the Christ the glory for everything they did.

But the Christ didn't even know them. They thought HE did? they believed He did. They were convinced His Grace was given to them.

But they were deceived just like Eve. There were convinced they were saved, and that God's instructions were not important, so they rejected them and created their own religious works.

And what did they get for holding up the Christ and giving Him all the credit? Placing His Name on the images of God they created maybe. Placing His Name on their own High Days maybe?

"depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

So they had works as do we all. But their works were transgressing God's Commandments.

I don't believe any of the Christ's Words are Bull****.

This has been an argument among religious men since Cain.

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Why did you quote MY post, but refer to me as Magenta? I'm Lady Blue, not Magenta.. lol
 
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theanointedsinner

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Faith is a gift from God

and
we love, because God love us first

while we were still sinners, Christ died for our sins
 
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theanointedsinner

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Even if man made system of salvation promises the minimal risk of doubting your salvation, be careful to not fall into that trap, because grace can sanctify us, the issue boils down to faith

if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, God will move spiritual mountains for you <-- Satan clearly doesn't want that, which explains why Satan spends every ounce of it's satanic energy on discouragement
 
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Why did you quote MY post, but refer to me as Magenta? I'm Lady Blue, not Magenta.. lol
He cannot even get the bible right much less know what we teach and or who we are.....I would like to see the following in scripture......yep NOT there, but he is CONVINCED......his blather does not even begin to make the bottom of the truth rung....

I believe the preaching that Everyone born who says "Lord, Lord, is saved, is a deceit. This is what the serpent convinced Eve of
 
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theanointedsinner

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He cannot even get the bible right much less know what we teach and or who we are.....I would like to see the following in scripture......yep NOT there, but he is CONVINCED......his blather does not even begin to make the bottom of the truth rung....

I believe the preaching that Everyone born who says "Lord, Lord, is saved, is a deceit. This is what the serpent convinced Eve of
Even if there's such a thing as a bible directory that helps people focus on the big picture context, and keep people in context when reading it, the amount of help it can provide for others becomes more and more questionable and doubtful, **shaking my head**
 

VCO

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Mixing works with grace is what God says to do.
He gives the grace for us to do the good works.
That is not a counterfeit gospel.
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Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.


Titus 3:4-8 (HCSB)
4 But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.



You are TOTALLY CONFUSED.

SALVATION happens COMPLETELY the DAY WE CAME TO GENUINELY BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND TRUST HIM TOTALLY. THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES INTO OUR HEARTS birthing our human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE, AS A FREE GIFT OF GOD.

ONLY AFTER THAT CAN WE BEGIN THE PROCESS CALLED SANCTIFICATION, which is an ongoing effort to get our BODIES to Catch Up with our human spirits, becoming more and more like CHRIST. It will TAKE a life time to conform our Bodies to be like CHRIST, and it will not be finished UNTIL Christ gives us that GLORIFIED RESURRECTED BODY that CANNOT EVEN THINK A SIN as HE comes for HIS BRIDE. Therefore the BODY going through SANCTIFICATION will sin LESS, and LESS, and LESS.
 
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Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.


Titus 3:4-8 (HCSB)
4 But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.



You are TOTALLY CONFUSED.

SALVATION happens COMPLETELY the DAY WE CAME TO GENUINELY BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND TRUST HIM TOTALLY. THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES INTO OUR HEARTS birthing our human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE, AS A FREE GIFT OF GOD.

ONLY AFTER THAT CAN WE BEGIN THE PROCESS CALLED SANCTIFICATION, which is an ongoing effort to get our BODIES to Catch Up with our human spirits, becoming more and more like CHRIST. It will TAKE a life time to conform our Bodies to be like CHRIST, and it will not be finished UNTIL Christ gives us that GLORIFIED RESURRECTED BODY that CANNOT EVEN THINK A SIN as HE comes for HIS BRIDE. Therefore the BODY going through SANCTIFICATION will sin LESS, and LESS, and LESS.
Amazing how the word of God sheds light on those who are false hey bro.....
 

VCO

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Christians do like to share their stories of how they were saved, but one Christian does not go to another Christian and tell them, "I do not think you have had the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you might think you have, but you haven't, and you don't have the slightest hint about what being born again is". We don't treat other Christians that way.

Are you so sure that you know what you are talking about? You seem to feel pretty good about yourself. You even told another Christian this: You are supposed to be discipled by one who has already learned. (see post #74,456).

So you think you are learned do you? For knowing Jesus intimately and for receiving revelation so easily and often, you have made 2 big mistakes about 2 of your fellow Christians on this forum. How is that? If you can really tell with your superior mind and logic and revelation what churches we belong to, it is interesting that you have flunked both times.

Just because we do not believe like you believe, it does not make our beliefs false. Except, I am sure you are one of those Christians that believe that you are right and 99% of all other Christians are wrong.

I can tell from how you approach people on this forum that do not saddle up with you immediately, you do not know the Lord as intimately as you think you do. If you were truly the learned disciple that all should come to for knowledge of the Lord, you would be different from your rather pious and downlooking attitude.

I AM A 100% THAT I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. AND A 100% THAT YOU DO NOT. YOU NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN!

CHRIST IN ME AND THE HOLY SPIRIT HAVE VERIFIED IT BEYOND A DOUBT.
 
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UnderGrace

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Hi UnderGrace, hard to believe so many people miss the simple gospel and they think their works will get them into heaven.

Isaiah45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.​
I know it is so hard for me to believe....even still I was literally shocked.

The saddest thing of all is they make no attempt to reconsider....none at all.
 
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I know it is so hard for me to believe....even still I was literally shocked.

The saddest thing of all is they make no attempt to reconsider....none at all.
Humanity marches rank and file over the proverbial cliff into hell.......and the road is paved with religion and good intentions amongst other things......tragically I might add!