Not By Works

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benhur said:
You hit the nail on the head:
Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Most OSAS people stop at Christ Jesus, and do not include, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Most OSAS people just say "there is therefore now no comdemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus."

How bout those who are in Christ Jesus that eventually start not walking in the Spirit, but after the flesh? Do they lose their saved position. The answer is yes, according to John 15:2, and many other scriptures. Read the parable of the forgiving king.
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ben , if you believe a saved person can lose their salvation , then your basing it on what they DO , which I know is false
Ive tried to explain to you , that our righteousness is based on what Jesus has done FOR US , its Jesus's righteousness , its not our own
 
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ljs said:
ben , if you believe a saved person can lose their salvation , then your basing it on what they DO , which I know is false
Ive tried to explain to you , that our righteousness is based on what Jesus has done FOR US , its Jesus's righteousness , its not our own
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These guys who peddle a salvation that can be lost or forfeit are teaching a trying to sell a self saving false dogma...end of story.....if salvation can be lost by sin...none are saved, if salvation can be maintained by keeping the law...none are saved....if salvation can be earned or kept by works...JESUS died in vain......no matter which way you go with the self saving, working for, Cainologist's dogma = that which is false and contrary to the scriptures....
 
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Works do not save us. They do not secure our salvation, they do not keep us saved nor do they give us a get into heaven card..

I honestly don't understand WHY people can't comprehend that simple fact. WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. And anyone who thinks they do will be unpleasantly surprised at the last day...
 
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And the same with the fools who don't believe in eternal life (or "security" as they call it). If a person is saved by grace through faith, and NOT by works, they ARE "eternally secure"...
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Works do not save us. They do not secure our salvation, they do not keep us saved nor do they give us a get into heaven card..

I honestly don't understand WHY people can't comprehend that simple fact. WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. And anyone who thinks they do will be unpleasantly surprised at the last day...
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AMEN BLUE....JESUS covered it well when he said, "MANY will come to me in that day saying, LORD, LORD have we not done........."

The same dogma most teach today...

a. They claim JESUS as LORD
b. The believe WORKS have earned them the right to enter

How can they not see this.......bad day coming for ALL who believe and peddle that version of Christianity....
 
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Magenta said:
But never on a Sabbath. That would be work. According to you, you cannot even play on the Sabbath :eek:
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Oh go read the thread.....he said...maybe one can be saved by walking a different path.......and only those who DESERVE saving grace by being obedient will be saved. Both FALSE I might add....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Oh go read the thread.....he said...maybe one can be saved by walking a different path.......and only those who DESERVE saving grace by being obedient will be saved. Both FALSE I might add....
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I saw that... and I was like, WHAT??? Noooooooooooo...
 
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benhur said:
Do you believe in 3 Persons in 1 God? Do you believe those 3 Persons are distinct from each other?
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AND THOSE THREE DISTINCT PERSONAGES ARE THE ONE and ONLY DEITY THAT THEIR IS.

The FATHER HE IS GOD.

The SON HE IS GOD.

The HOLY SPIRIT HE IS GOD.

How many GODS does that MAKE?

ONE!


We are Created in the IMAGE OF GOD.

We are Body and Soul and Spirit

How many Human Beings does that MAKE?

ONE!
 
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benhur said:
Our spirit is born again, but not our flesh? Would you explain that to me, Thank you.
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Our Human Spirit is NOT ALIVE at Natural Birth.

It is born spiritual DEAD because of the SIN NATURE we inherit from ADAM.

I can only BE birthed into LIFE by the HOLY SPIRIT, and that LIFE IS ETERNAL.

You cannot Enter Heaven without A ETERNALLY ALIVE HUMAN SPIRIT.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Wrong again....the bolded is false and your accusation above is false......maybe study more and see that the latter part of verse 1 in chapter 8 has been embellished and is not in the original text....and then read John 3:36

It is ONLY the King JAMES that ADDS the second half of verse 1 and Episcopalians BELIEVE is a working for dogma

New International Version
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

New Living Translation
So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.

English Standard Version
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Berean Study Bible
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore there is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

King James Bible
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus,

Contemporary English Version
If you belong to Christ Jesus, you won't be punished.

Good News Translation
There is no condemnation now for those who live in union with Christ Jesus.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, no condemnation now exists for those in Christ Jesus,

International Standard Version
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in union with the Messiah Jesus.

NET Bible
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
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Wow, so you are saying the KJV of the bible is teaching false doctrine. That is interesting, that you feel like God-breathed writings have been fudged so much as to now teach false doctrine.

Could it be the other way around. That all the rest of the versions were mad that the KJV had to wreck their OSAS amd so they decided not to include it. Where are the originals that the KJV used to make up their version of the bible? Where are the originals for all the other versions you used?

You know when you go this route to support your position, you are treading on thin ice?
 
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TruthTalk said:
Amen and thank you VCO, for a clear interpretation of the "Grace of God" in our lives. I live everyday walking in Faith with God's Grace and the "gift of eternal life", to bring me "Safely Home." (oops that is the title of a wonderful true story, by Randy Alcorn, excellent read). Trusting in your own wonderful works for your "eternal salvation" is a big, big mistake, with dreadful consequences.

God bless
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THERE GOES ANOTHER TYPO!

I proof read that THREE TIMES, and ever Time I read DIFFER WITH YOU.

I and Paul will DIFFER WHEN YOU, many because of this VERSE:

And there is what I actually TYPED. They Shoot Horses don't they?
 
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VCO said:
THERE GOES ANOTHER TYPO!

I proof read that THREE TIMES, and ever Time I read DIFFER WITH YOU.

I and Paul will DIFFER WHEN YOU, many because of this VERSE:

And there is what I actually TYPED. They Shoot Horses don't they?
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Darn you, auto carrot!!! lol
 
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VCO said:
AND THOSE THREE DISTINCT PERSONAGES ARE THE ONE and ONLY DEITY THAT THEIR IS.

The FATHER HE IS GOD.

The SON HE IS GOD.

The HOLY SPIRIT HE IS GOD.

How many GODS does that MAKE?

ONE!


We are Created in the IMAGE OF GOD.

We are Body and Soul and Spirit

How many Human Beings does that MAKE?

ONE!
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The Father, he is God, but he is not the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son, he is God, but he is not God the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit, he is God, but he is not God the Father or the Son

They are 1.

Answer my question: Why did Jesus ask the man, "why calleth thou me good"?
 
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VCO said:
Our Human Spirit is NOT ALIVE at Natural Birth.

It is born spiritual DEAD because of the SIN NATURE we inherit from ADAM.

I can only BE birthed into LIFE by the HOLY SPIRIT, and that LIFE IS ETERNAL.

You cannot Enter Heaven without A ETERNALLY ALIVE HUMAN SPIRIT.
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How many on the forum believe our spirits are not alive at our natual birth?
 
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benhur said:
How many on the forum believe our spirits are not alive at our natual birth?
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John 6:53
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

Colossians 2:13
When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,

Ephesians 2:1
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
 
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ljs said:
ben , if you believe a saved person can lose their salvation , then your basing it on what they DO , which I know is false
Ive tried to explain to you , that our righteousness is based on what Jesus has done FOR US , its Jesus's righteousness , its not our own
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Amen and thank you Ljs. this message bears repeating, because it is the true gospel. When God looks at us He see's the righteousness of His son. When God loves us He loves us with the same, "Agape Love", that He loves His Son Jesus Christ.
 
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benhur said:
Wow, so you are saying the KJV of the bible is teaching false doctrine. That is interesting, that you feel like God-breathed writings have been fudged so much as to now teach false doctrine.

Could it be the other way around. That all the rest of the versions were mad that the KJV had to wreck their OSAS amd so they decided not to include it. Where are the originals that the KJV used to make up their version of the bible? Where are the originals for all the other versions you used?

You know when you go this route to support your position, you are treading on thin ice?
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HAHAHHAHAH God breathed you say.......dude....you just keep diggin that hole and keep ignoring sound, solid truth.....
 
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