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Amen and thank you VCO, for a clear interpretation of the "Grace of God" in our lives. I live everyday walking in Faith with God's Grace and the "gift of eternal life", to bring me "Safely Home." (oops that is the title of a wonderful true story, by Randy Alcorn, excellent read). Trusting in your own wonderful works for your "eternal salvation" is a big, big mistake, with dreadful consequences.
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The scriptures say what they say. I can't save myself, but I can "turn to the Word of God which became Flesh" and He has promised that "everyone" who "denies themselves", and "follows" Him is worthy of His Saving Grace. Those who expect the Christ to do everything for them, well that isn't covered by Him. You might be able be saved by following another path, but I believe we should "do" as He said to "do".
The Lord of the Bible says not all who call Him Lord, Lord will get to use His saving Blood. If I'm drowning and a man throws me a life jacket, if I don't grab the life jacket, will it save me? And if I swim to the life jacket, is it not a choice I make? And when I grab the life jacket, did I save myself, or was it the jacket that saved me?
I did not post my own words Billy, I posted the Christ's Word's in response to your question, which you completely ignored,******** again.
The verse you quoted says the same thing as the verse I quoted. Your scripture does not make the Word's of the Christ Void.
"Through Faith". Can you be saved without faith? Can you have Faith and not "Deny your self", can you "follow" the Christ without doing what He says to do?
Many religions claim you can. I think the Bible is clear that we are to make choices, and we are to "Offer our self a living sacrifice", that we are to "Repent", turn to God, and do works worthy of repentance.
The Christ's blood is there, but "many" don't believe in Him enough to follow His instructions. It's much easier to just listen to some "minister of righteousness" that teaches we don't need the life jacket, we are already immortal.
The Lord of the Bible says not all who call Him Lord, Lord will get to use His saving Blood. If I'm drowning and a man throws me a life jacket, if I don't grab the life jacket, will it save me? And if I swim to the life jacket, is it not a choice I make? And when I grab the life jacket, did I save myself, or was it the jacket that saved me?
I did not post my own words Billy, I posted the Christ's Word's in response to your question, which you completely ignored,******** again.
The verse you quoted says the same thing as the verse I quoted. Your scripture does not make the Word's of the Christ Void.
"Through Faith". Can you be saved without faith? Can you have Faith and not "Deny your self", can you "follow" the Christ without doing what He says to do?
Many religions claim you can. I think the Bible is clear that we are to make choices, and we are to "Offer our self a living sacrifice", that we are to "Repent", turn to God, and do works worthy of repentance.
The Christ's blood is there, but "many" don't believe in Him enough to follow His instructions. It's much easier to just listen to some "minister of righteousness" that teaches we don't need the life jacket, we are already immortal.
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The point is we do not trust "our" own religious works or words, rather, in EVERY Word and the Work's of the Word of God which became Flesh.
The serpent convinced Eve that trusting in God's Word's and Works would be bad for her as well, with "dreadful consequences" like keeping her blind.
But if she would just listen to the "other voice" she would be "free" from all those burdensome instructions.
This has all been shown to us, all we need to do is "Believe" in it.
The serpent convinced Eve that trusting in God's Word's and Works would be bad for her as well, with "dreadful consequences" like keeping her blind.
But if she would just listen to the "other voice" she would be "free" from all those burdensome instructions.
This has all been shown to us, all we need to do is "Believe" in it.
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Quote: "If Christ is in me, what is in me?" Your message is half a gospel, a half gospel is a whole lie.
Christ in me; Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to live within the us that we would have power for service. And the Holy Spirit seals the believer "for the day of redemption"
Ephesans4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
John14:20
20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
Colossians1:27
27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is "Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Praise God I am not following your mentality
Christ in me; Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to live within the us that we would have power for service. And the Holy Spirit seals the believer "for the day of redemption"
Ephesans4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
John14:20
20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
Colossians1:27
27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is "Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Praise God I am not following your mentality
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As I remember, I was responding to a claim that you can only be saved if God calls you and gives you faith. Only then can you be saved and have EL.
So that then makes me think of all the people that aren't Christians? Is God calling only those that He wishes to call, and the rest that He must not wish to call, find themselves in hell fire?
It is a legitimate question. I need you to respond to what happens to all those poor people that are not called of God?
I have spoke of earning your salvation by works. This is a false concept. There is no way a man can do enough good works to gain salvation on his own. It is Jesus that saves, and only Jesus.
But when Jesus says follow me and do the works that I have before ordained that you should walk in, do you think he was kidding?
Do you think that if you come to the judgement bar and Jesus looks down and says, give me a report about how you accomplished those works that I before had ordained that you should walk in? And your answer is I did not accomplish anything other than to trust that you would save me. Is Jesus just going to say, well done my good and faithful servant, you didn't do anything that I asked you to do, but that's OK, come into your rest with God and me for eternity.
Is that how you see that conversation taking place. If you have an alternative veiw, I would like you to tell me.
So that then makes me think of all the people that aren't Christians? Is God calling only those that He wishes to call, and the rest that He must not wish to call, find themselves in hell fire?
It is a legitimate question. I need you to respond to what happens to all those poor people that are not called of God?
I have spoke of earning your salvation by works. This is a false concept. There is no way a man can do enough good works to gain salvation on his own. It is Jesus that saves, and only Jesus.
But when Jesus says follow me and do the works that I have before ordained that you should walk in, do you think he was kidding?
Do you think that if you come to the judgement bar and Jesus looks down and says, give me a report about how you accomplished those works that I before had ordained that you should walk in? And your answer is I did not accomplish anything other than to trust that you would save me. Is Jesus just going to say, well done my good and faithful servant, you didn't do anything that I asked you to do, but that's OK, come into your rest with God and me for eternity.
Is that how you see that conversation taking place. If you have an alternative veiw, I would like you to tell me.
Firstly I know they are not your own words.
You quoted the Bible and they are the words of God.
I did not ignore them.
In fact I asked why you quoted them, because no where do they say those works will save us.
You said "Works do save us, only the blood of Jesus"
So I asked "Why post them? Given that works do not save.
So as you say the scripture I quoted obviously shows that I believe works will accompany faith therefore I know that it doesn't make the words of Chist void.
Are you accusing me of saying that?
If many people do not believe in him enough to follow him then they do not truly believe in him.
Also it's not just a matter of believing.
Jesus said "If you love me"
Those rejected at judgement day are those who do not love Jesus.
Many people believe in Jesus and that's it.
They do not confess him with their mouth, believe in him in their hearts, believe he died and rose again and make him Lord & Saviour.
Those are the people who will be rejected.
True faith in action is done out of love.
And yes true faith in action will produce fruit leading to good works because we are in the vine.
You quoted the Bible and they are the words of God.
I did not ignore them.
In fact I asked why you quoted them, because no where do they say those works will save us.
You said "Works do save us, only the blood of Jesus"
So I asked "Why post them? Given that works do not save.
So as you say the scripture I quoted obviously shows that I believe works will accompany faith therefore I know that it doesn't make the words of Chist void.
Are you accusing me of saying that?
If many people do not believe in him enough to follow him then they do not truly believe in him.
Also it's not just a matter of believing.
Jesus said "If you love me"
Those rejected at judgement day are those who do not love Jesus.
Many people believe in Jesus and that's it.
They do not confess him with their mouth, believe in him in their hearts, believe he died and rose again and make him Lord & Saviour.
Those are the people who will be rejected.
True faith in action is done out of love.
And yes true faith in action will produce fruit leading to good works because we are in the vine.
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Hahahhahahahahhahaahaha wow man....and you actually buy the above drivel...."worthy of saving grace" hahahaha It is obvious you do not understand GRACE and while we were yet SINNING CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY......NOT SOMEONE WORTHY of saving grace.....you have a lot to learn man before you are right with God
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Might be able to be saved by following another path and someone who deserves saving grace are both as anti-biblical as can be and NOT FOUND in scripture.....and the tragic truth....people actually believe that drivel and think it is biblical preaching....shakes head and cannot believe anyone that reads the bible can actually espouse and or believe such a thing.....!!
Hi Endoscopy, my point is a person can "trust in saying a creed" instead of "trusting in Jesus Christ" and think that they are saved just like VCO explained to you. Technology has to do with the bible being placed in the hands of true believers, we did not have that ability to mass produce bibles years ago. The creed in today's world is about as useful as a "buggy whip" is today.
Praise God that He saved VCO in spite of the creed that he was trusting in. How many more people are there who are trusting in your religious traditions and Church liturgy just like VCO was doing. Honestly for you to be so insensitive to a person who could miss the Gospel Message and put their trust in saying a creed, makes me think that unsaved person could be you.
We have "the Bible" to tell us "what beliefs are required to be a Christian", saying a creed is as useful as a "buggy whip", today and could cause a lost sinner to trust in your creed instead of trusting in Jesus Christ. The honest truth is, "creeds discredit themselves", with no help from me and likewise your points are as useful as "buggy Whips." today.
Your old and crusty "creed" is as useful as "buggy whips" today. Hey Endo, you can trade-in your "ancient camel",[/8B] for a "brand new", Global Automotive Manufacturing High-Performance BMW Electric Vehicle.
Praise God that He saved VCO in spite of the creed that he was trusting in. How many more people are there who are trusting in your religious traditions and Church liturgy just like VCO was doing. Honestly for you to be so insensitive to a person who could miss the Gospel Message and put their trust in saying a creed, makes me think that unsaved person could be you.
We have "the Bible" to tell us "what beliefs are required to be a Christian", saying a creed is as useful as a "buggy whip", today and could cause a lost sinner to trust in your creed instead of trusting in Jesus Christ. The honest truth is, "creeds discredit themselves", with no help from me and likewise your points are as useful as "buggy Whips." today.
Your old and crusty "creed" is as useful as "buggy whips" today. Hey Endo, you can trade-in your "ancient camel",[/8B] for a "brand new", Global Automotive Manufacturing High-Performance BMW Electric Vehicle.
You seem to be deliberately misunderstanding the purpose of the creeds. They are a doctrinal statement not a document to bring anyone to salvation! The church you go to will have a doctrinal statement about their beliefs. Do they preach that document or do they preach the gospel message? The creeds are not attempts to make Christians but instead are a statement about what a Christian must believe. They are about the last thing you want an unsaved person to read. Why do so many want to make the creeds something they are not?? You don't preach doctrine. Those are reserved for study not preaching the gospel.
The problem is that too many want to earn their way to heaven. Therefore they look at works backwards. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. That faith will as a result produce works. Jesus said by their fruits (works) you shall know them. That tells us to look at a person's works to see if they are a Christian or a wolf in sheep's clothing. If a minister preaches the gospel message then he is a Christian. If the minister never preaches the gospel message then he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. In each case you look at the works of the person.
Dont be taken in by the words "if i do a little extra work for the God",. that was not my point.
My point is according to you I am saved. Then I said this, and I will turn it around so you don't miss anything. "What is it do you, if I do some extra work for God?" IOW, if I am saved why would God be angry with me if I decided to do a little extra work for him? He would not, in fact he would be pleased.
My point is according to you I am saved. Then I said this, and I will turn it around so you don't miss anything. "What is it do you, if I do some extra work for God?" IOW, if I am saved why would God be angry with me if I decided to do a little extra work for him? He would not, in fact he would be pleased.
Yes, I know. The Pope, you, Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swaggart, the Mormons, and on and on, all claim to be children of God, as did the Pharisees who killed Stephen and the Levite Priests who killed the Prophets.
Just because men say "Hath God not said" doesn't make them immortal.
If Eve can be convinced she is already saved when she is not, then surely others can be deceived as well.
My only point is that "EVERY WORD" of God is Holy, even the ones I posted that you ignored. And if you only "believe" the Word's of God which can be used to justify your religious lifestyle, then how are you any different than the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time who did the very same thing.
And if I see this, should I not show the warnings of God to help the brother?
But as it is written by the Same Word of God which became Flesh:
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
As it is to this day.
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