Angels

Procreation, according to scripture (KJB), as demonstrated by texts and by the specific words, exists among man-kind (amongst themselves; "male" with "female" of like/same "kind"; "marriage" existing among the "children" "of this world" (Luke 20:34) and no other) and with other creatures (of each Kind amongst themselves) of the "earth":


The rebellious cast out angels (which are neither 'ethereal' or non-entities, neither gaseous non-forms), etc (Satan and his ilk) through manipulation and twisting of the truth and causing doubt in the words of God, are only able to "possess" (never 'procreate' with) those upon this world.


Possession, deals with 'mind upon mind', a surrender of the will to the devil (2 Chronicles 30:8; Romans 6:13,16), not a physical entering [it is not like the many Holywood movies and fictional books portray], for satan and the devils are physical beings [more on this later in detail as needful], which, somewhat like in modern hypnosis, take control of the mind, and of the will, and thus the one "possessed" [taken control of the mind] will obey the will of the one surrendered to, and follow suggestions and commands:


Additionally scripture, by Paul, says that the (Rebellious) Angels are not the same "kind" or even have the same "Flesh" as mankind, having a completely different nature (Jude 1:7; Hebrews 2:16; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41):


Ephesians 6:12; refers to "flesh and blood" of sinful (fallen) flesh men (Matthew 16:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50; Galatians 1:16; Hebrews 2:14), in contrast to the rebellious beings, which are the "spiritual wickedness" (not "spirit wickedness) in High places, as like in the days of Daniel, etc. (Daniel 10:13,20), for satan sits upon the "throne of iniquity" (Psalms 94:20), "satan's seat" (Revelation 2:13).

Jesus said, in regards mankind as they presently are, and as angels as they presently are:


The texts reads "are as" ("εισιν ως"; "εισινG1510 V-PAI-3P ωςG5613 ADV"; Verb, Present, Active, Indicative, 3rd person Plural; with Adverb - GNT-TR). Angels are not "children of this world", and never will be (as their origin is from Heaven, Celestial).

Angels (good or evil) have no ability to change their flesh nature, neither, mankind:


Angelic beings (even when rebellious) have a nature (Hebrews 2:16) which cannot be killed/destroyed as yet, until God does so by fire:


Let us move onward to the immediate and surrounding context of the term "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2,4, and notice the word "wives" (which is marriage, an institution of God for the "children of this world" and no other).

Because they were greatly seperated children of disobedience and rebellious nation then they saw a fair female and produced giants genes maybe? Then in sodom and gommorrah they couldn’t handle it so only the few carried the seed one couple and next is the mixing of their own families by making descendants for future generations.

I already noticed that and even said you would.

Question.



For how many of mankind did Jesus die for? For how many angels?

Question.


How many races of mankind are there, and how many blood?

Question.

For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:


For “men of reknown” see:


Are "giants" in 'your view' of the nature and being of mankind in any way?

When Mary received the news of the Angel she didn’t know what face to rely on so the Angel carried the face of Jesus just so she can have an idea of what the baby will look like idk i saw it in a video it made think [genes]

Since it is clear in scripture (KJB) that the "angels" "neither marry nor, are given in marriage", and the scriptures "cannot be broken" (John 10:35) and are "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16), this automatically excludes all of the created angelic hosts [loyal or rebellious] from the context as given in Genesis 6:2, for it says "they [sons of God] took them wives"; and a wife only comes through marriage which is an institution specifically given unto man-kind, who is "flesh and blood", by God Himself, so that the two [man and woman; husband and wife of the "one blood" (Acts 17:26), same "kind"] become "one flesh" (which is not possible between man-kind and angel-kind; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41; Jude 1:7; Hebrews 2:16), as Genesis 2:24 shows (Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.):


Please take careful notice that the text of Genesis 6:4, declares that "giants" already existed on earth before the "sons of God came in unto the daughters of men", for it clearly uses the words, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men".

Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, ... Enoch ... Methuselah, Noah were all 'giant'. Adam was a little more than twice as tall as men are now living (probably around 15 feet and well proportioned), and even just below that, at around a little higher than shoulder height.

Let none confuse what scripture says with pagan mythologies (Acts 14:11) [Norse, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, etc], about 'gods' coming down and siring children, of which Paul and Barnabus told them to quit such activities and practices, as elsewhere (Acts 14:15, 17:29-30). Even in those scenarios, it was generally 'men' that were made into 'gods' and later mythologized (Nimrod, Semiramis, Tamuz, etc). The Bible is not paganism (all of which is error). Let our study be derived from the word itself.

Another reason to consider why the term “sons of God" in Genesis 6 cannot be referring to the rebellious angels is because the text would then have more likely read "the devils (apostate angels) ... took them wives", but the text obviously does not read in this manner, and even further is that 2 of the 3 texts, which also read "sons of God", in the Book of Job [which many incorrectly compare Genesis 6 to], are already referring to Lucifer at so early a point as "Satan" [the Adversary/Accuser], which is in stark contrast to the "sons of God" (of the unfallen worlds). Even further we may already see in Genesis 3:1,2,4,13-14, he is already referred to as the "serpent":


This meeting (like as 1 Kings 22:19; 2 Chronicles 18:18), took place in Heaven, since it was "before the LORD", and satan had left the earth to come to it, and to come "among them". These "sons of God" in Job 1 & 2, are the rulers of the unfallen worlds.

None of these Job texts, in regards the “sons of God”, are dealing with the timing or context of the Genesis 6-9 KJB account.

Job 1:6, 2:1 KJB deals with the timeframe in a period well after the flood, in Heaven (3rd), and Job 38:4-7 KJB deals with the timeframe long before the flood, in Heaven (3rd), when the earth was created, when there was no man-kind as Adam yet.

The only texts in Job which are dealing directly with the timeframe of the flood, are Job 22:15,16,17, 26:5 KJB, and please notice it speaks of “men” (mankind, not angelic beings).

But let us now look at what the texts actually say and so delve a little deeper into the previously given context of Genesis, where we will find the answer to Genesis 6:2,4, for it will give a clearer understanding of who these "sons of God" actually are.

At this point, please read through Genesis 1:1-Genesis 6 to gather the background events that led up to the Flood and the reasons for it.

Adam (and thus also Eve) was originally created in the "image of God" (Genesis 1:26,27).

It is plainly given that after Adam and Eve had sinned, they were given a promise (the Gospel, Genesis 3:15), and were then clothed by God with the skin (Genesis 3:21) of "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" [Revelation 13:8; representing, by shadow and type, the loving Sacrifice of God and the Atonement for man-kind] and afterward were expelled from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:23-24). Once they were removed from Paradise, Adam and Even sired children, Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-2) and later also others, "sons and daughters" (Genesis 5:4), which came in Adam's own "image" (Genesis 5:3) after the fall, through sin, one of whom Cain, having "went out from the presence of the LORD" (Genesis 4:16, see also Job 22:17), would marry for "wife" (Genesis 4:17) and live in the land of Nod (wandering, nomadic), until he built the first human "city" (Genesis 4:17).

The sacrifice of a lamb, the shadow and type, was continued and kept by fallen man-kind, in the hope of the coming Redeemer (Genesis 3:15, 4:2,4), who was the reality, and is made even more plain in Genesis 4 by faithful and righteous Abel (Matthew 23:35; Hebrews 11:4) who "brought of the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" as an "offering" (Genesis 4:4).

However, during the process of time and continued offerings, Abel's brother Cain, ceased to follow in the specific example and type given of the "slain Lamb" by God Himself, but rather chose, in this one aspect, his own method and means of "offering" to God – that being the "fruit of the ground" (Genesis 4:3). This represented Cain's own "works", which came from the "cursed" ground. Yet Abel's "offering", which came in the faith of the Redeemer to come (Genesis 3:5), was accepted by the LORD, but Cain's "offering" was not, which he became exceedingly angry over (Genesis 4:5). Thus we see already two people groups upon the earth forming:


Although the LORD lovingly counseled and warned Cain to avoid sin (Genesis 4:6-7) [in this case anger without a cause, which led to murder], Cain instead, in faithlessness and rebellion, chose not to listen to God and went to his brother Abel – and so Cain arose and "slew" [murdered] (1 John 3:12) his brother (Genesis 4:8).

After being "mark"[ed], Cain "went out from the presence of the LORD" (Genesis 4:16) and eventually had a great great great grandson named "Lamech" (Genesis 4:18), who not only followed in Cain's "way" (Jude 1:11), but increased in wickedness.

This is extremely important for understanding the later and later transpiring events that led up to the Judgment of the Flood, for Lamech followed not only in the spiritual footsteps of Cain's rebellion in murdering another (Genesis 4:23), and even used the LORD as an excuse (Genesis 4:24), but it is clearly detailed that he even married "two wives" (Genesis 4:19) [the very first mentioned to do so, polygamy] which went against the original plan for marriage, which was given for man to have one wife (Genesis 2:24). Many then followed suit, even going to so far that they did not ask counsel of God for whom to marry (As Adam, unto Eve), but instead they "chose" (Genesis 6:2) whom they would, even murdering (filling the earth with "violence"; Genesis 6:11), and marrying multiple "wives" (Genesis 6:2). The more spiritual line of Seth, which had been close to God, obeying their parents (Adam and Eve) and the Garden of Eden, before its walls (Genesis 3:24), began to move out and intermingle and to intermarry with the spiritual line of Cain, who had left and became city-dwellers, and were thus influenced by their idolatry and practices, corrupting the people who had, "call[ed] upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26).

The picture is thus becoming clearer that the phrase "sons of God", as used in Genesis 6 is not ever meant to denote "angels" but is rather a term which had represented those of man-kind who were "spiritually minded" (Romans 8:6), those who had "begun to call upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26) [See also Acts 22:16 for a similar reference], like the prophet Enoch (Jude 1:14), who continued to be faithful and followed and "walked" (Genesis 5:22,24) with the LORD in the "ways of God" (Deuteronomy 8:6, 10:12; 2 Samuel 22:22; Psalms 18:21) as did righteous Noah (Genesis 7:1) who was a "just man", "perfect in his generations" (Genesis 6:9) and was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5) [See Psalms 119:172 for "righteousness"]. Yet, as scripture shows, these men began to be lured away, becoming unevenly yoked in marriages (2 Corinthians 6:14) and multiple marriages and eventually apostatized fully, corrupting all flesh upon the earth.

The entire context of Genesis 6 begins and deals with "men" (Genesis 6:1) and "flesh" (Genesis 6:12) of that world which perished and not "angels" who are not of this world, but "celestial" (1 Corinthians 15:40), not having the same "blood" and "flesh" as mankind have (1 Corinthians 15:39; Hebrews 2:16). In fact passage after passage reveals the dealings of God with the doings and "wickedness of man" (Genesis 6:5), and not one passage says anything about "angels" (whom all rebellious angels survived the flood, though fearing for their lives amidst the global catastrophic deluge from God's judgment):


Angels are nowhere mentioned explicitly in the context. Not once.

If we understand the events as they unfolded in the earlier chapters of Genesis, with Satan, Cain and Lamech [faithlessness, rebellion, anger, murder, multiple wives, excuses, disobedience, going out from the presence of the LORD and so on] and with Adam, Eve, Seth, Enoch, Noah [faith, repentance, obedience, walking with GOD, just, righteousness, calling upon the name of the LORD and so on], etc., we can then understand what was going on in Genesis 6. Man-kind had begun to become many and "multiply" (Genesis 6:1) and two opposing sides could be clearly seen and witnessed upon the earth. Abel/Seth's and Cain's - Those looking for the promised redeemer, continuing with the True sacrifice and offering and those who rejected the message and substituted their own form of worship and offerings.

However, as it went, even the "sons of God" [the spiritually minded descendants who were keeping the ways of the true God] had begun to look upon the fair "daughters of men" (those city-dwellers of Cain) taking "wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2) [except for righteousness Noah and his sons who all only had one wife each (Genesis 7:13)] and so they had began to apostatize and become worldly and so they began to intermingle, being led astray, and also to intermarry which led them to "corrupt" the "ways of God" through "violence" and "wickedness" - and "every imagination of the thoughts" of man-kind's "heart [was] only evil continually". And so the Judgment of the Flood was given, preached unto repentance, and finally received by those who rejected, grieving away the Holy Spirit of God [Genesis 6:3; 1 Peter 3:18-21; 2 Peter 2:5]:


The problem of intermixing and intermarrying [amongst the "people, children and sons of God" (of this earth) with the "daughters of men, gentiles, nations, world", etc] and having multiple wives leading into overt apostasy against God Almighty and directly into the bondage of sin, adultery, fornication and idolatry is given all throughout scripture in crystal clear testimony in all of such actions disastrous endeavors. Let us look at the repeat of history from the time of Cain/Lamech, unto the end ...

Who are “Sons of God” ?

Genesis 6 mentions the “sons of God.” Are they angels or men?
If so, did angels marry and reproduce, and have offspring.
The phrase can be used three different ways in the Bible:

1) Men (Genesis 6:1-4; Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:10).
Yes Genesis 6 is referring to men, not angels.

2) Angels (Job 38:5-7; Hebrews 1:5).

3) Spirit-begotten humans (Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1; 2 Peter 1:4).

The first two groups are both created “sons of God,” physical and spiritual.
But only men, created physical “sons of God,” unlike the angels, may
become spiritual “sons of God” through a begettal by God’s Holy Spirit.

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have
I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
(Hebrews 1:5).

Christ is recorded in the Gospel accounts as stating that angels are created spirits.
They cannot reproduce by sexual intercourse or any other means (see Luke 20:34-36;
Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25).

When we are also composed of spirit like the angels, we will not have sexual function.

The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,
the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown” . [men]


Genesis 6:2 says that the “sons of God” took wives. Since they married women, they could
not be angels. Notice verse three: “The Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man.”

Here, again, the sons of God are called man. Because these sons of God sinned, God con-
tinues in verse 7, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth .…”

So far, not one word about angels! Angels are spirits and could not be destroyed by water.
With the flood, “all flesh died … and every man. … Noah only remained alive, and they that
were with him in the ark” (Genesis 7:21-23).

If Angels and woman sinned in this, why punish man?

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The problem of intermixing and intermarrying [amongst the "people, children and sons of God" (of this earth) with the "daughters of men, gentiles, nations, world", etc] and having multiple wives leading into overt apostasy against God Almighty and directly into the bondage of sin, adultery, fornication and idolatry is given all throughout scripture in crystal clear testimony in all of such actions disastrous endeavors. Let us look at the repeat of history from the time of Cain/Lamech, unto the end (even as it was in the day of Noah, the days of Lot)

This was reiterated in the days of Moses:


… In the days of the Second Giving of the Law:


… In the days of the prophet Balaam and King Balak, with the People Israel:


… In the days of Abraham and Isaac:


… In the days of Esau and Jacob:


… In the days of Isaac and Jacob:


… In the days of Jacob and Hamor:


… In the time of Judges of Israel:


… In the time of Samson the Judge:


… In the Chronicles:

… In the days of Ezra:


... In the days of Nehemiah:


... and also again in the days of King Solomon:


Many "sons of God" "looked"/"saw" and “beheld” ["saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" and "took them wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2)] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, "she pleaseth me well", or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action "from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon" (2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9) and Solomon who "multiplied wives" and "loved many strange women" and all Israel who took of the "daughters of the land"], and then "lusted and coveted" and so were ensnared being "Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols" [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14]:

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

For James says:


And in the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the "people of God" also today to "come out" of Spiritual "Babylon" [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11] that "great Whore" [Revelation 17:1, 19:2], and her harlot "daughters":

Is there any scientific evidence to sugest there was
a hybrid race of man, called the nephillim ?

Would they have different D.N.A. then man ? Has any been found?

Genesis 6:4 talks about “giants” in the land before the flood. The English word
giants is translated from two original Hebrew words: Rephaim and Nephilim.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they were tall men, like Anakim
(Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).
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In "Exploring Ancient History", the word giant in Genesis 6:4 comes from the word
Nephilim, which means “a feller,” or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of great physical might. In other words,
the pre-Flood Nephilim were giants in strength but not in tallness of stature.
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Science jives with the bible

Humans and “Neanderthals” are practically identical at the dna code level.

What did the scientists find? Simply put: Neanderthals are human. There was virtually
no difference between the two codes. The few differences they did find were so slight
that researchers say that they are functionally irrelevant—and that if more Neanderthal
genomes could be compared there might be no differences at all!

But that is not all the scientists found. The data suggests Neanderthals are as closely related
to humans as Chinese are to Germans, or French to Javanese. Furthermore, the genetic material
analyzed indicated that Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that interbred
—and regularly.

“Whatever our differences, they’re not in the composition of your building blocks,” reported
Wired Science. The “Neanderthal genome shows most humans are cavemen”
All those supposed pre-man, caveman bones are actually just plain old human skeletons.
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Over the years, as more Neanderthal bones have been dug up, a far different picture from
the brutish, ignorant, unhygienic ape-caveman has emerged. Most scientists now admit that
Neanderthals walked upright with a posture and gait like humans today.

They cared for their families, buried their dead, used many types of tools, and cooked their
food. Recent discoveries also show that at least some women carried compacts and used
different types of makeup including foundation layers and blush.

The main difference is that Neanderthals are slightly shorter than average, but have larger
hands, thicker arm and leg bones and were significantly more muscled. They also had larger
skulls, and brains about 11 percent larger than the typical human, but well within the range
found today.

The scientists that now admit Neanderthals were fully human have reclassified them as
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis—which is just the scientific way of saying the bones are
a variety of true humans.
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Prior to the Flood, the Earth became filled with evil and violence. It was a time of inter-
marrying between the different races God had created. It was also a time of rapid tech-
nological advancement.

The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was the first to work with metal
and develop instruments of war (Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and arrows of Tubalcain’s armies.
the “violence” that filled the Earth refers to a great war that took place before the Flood.

Eventually the violence and degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah, his three sons and their wives in a worldwide Flood.

Were Neanderthals the Genesis “Giants”? The Bible describes a race of pre-Flood
humans that grew to dominate the cultural landscape before being wiped out.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood times matches perfectly
with the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.
Not to be confused with the taller Rephaim after the flood.

Another question must be asked, "Is the term "sons of God" only used in the context of "angels" [being the reference to the passages in the Book of Job 1 &2 that many quote] in scripture?"

Far be it, for many more are used in reference to man-kind. Sons of God, Children of the Light, Resurrection, the Heirs of the Father, etc:

Other:


Let us see the reverse, and come back to the Job passages.

One could very well also contrast the many passages on the "sons of God", as men, to the passages that discuss the "seed" of satan, "children of disobedience", "children of the devil", "of that wicked one", [those who are carnally minded, disobedient to the Law and Commandments of God and are the spiritual seed of Satan] etc:

The reverse and contrast:


Jesus does make specific mention of the contrast [of the two; God or Satan] as to who one was subservient to:


As does Paul:


As does Peter:

Some have asked the question, "If Genesis 6:2,4's "sons of God" are really children of Seth, and not angels, then why doesn't it say that?"

There is a reason it does not say "sons of Seth", but rather "sons of God".

[Not what it says] "of Seth", simply states human birth/generation of the flesh, but

[What it says] "of God", refers to being born-again, as already shown, as men called upon the name of the LORD, accepting the promise of Genesis 3:15.

The "daughters of men" refers to those not "born" "of God", but simply born after the flesh of men, in the likeness of men (Genesis 5:3).

The text should not say "sons of Seth", for it would not be accurate in its contextual (Genesis 1 onward) details.

We see two spiritual lines, and those which come into those same two choices:


Thus we have Adam having many children, some choosing to "call upon the name of the LORD", as Seth, etc, while others choosing instead to go after "the way of Cain" (Jude 1:11) and go "out from the presence of the LORD", saying to God, "Depart from us." (Job 21:14, 22:17).


And:


All the way back from Enoch and Methuselah, we see God about to send the Flood, for it is said of Enoch:


And Enoch named his son a prophetic name, Methuselah, which means, in his death it [the Flood] shall be sent [by God]. The name itself was basically a time/event prophecy as noted coming to its end here, though no one would know the exact day nor hour, except God [hint, hint... typology, History is repeating itself]:


It was said also of Noah:


None of the materials given in Genesis 1-3, nor 4-5, say anything about the Flood being sent because of devil-human hybrids, etc, but it does speak of the wickedness of the hearts of men, and their wicked deeds, Cain a murderer, like Lamech distorting marriage, etc, etc. Genesis 6:1,3,5 which surrounds vss 2,4 deals with "men" [mankind].

Not an explicit word about any of the angelic hosts.

I will come to the Job passages (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7) in a minute, and show by Scripture, that their context is not referring to the timeframe of the flood at all, though there is a passage in Job which does specifically deal with that timeframe, and it speaks of "wicked men".

Wow! PyongPing, when I suggested not to waste your time and that it would only frustrate you, you should have listened. All the time you spent, is in vain. Nobody is going to read all of that. I took two verses and cross checked them and they were inaccurate. Look at the length you have gone to in the attempt to convince yourself, that you were correct. I’m not patronizing, just trying to be helpful. Honestly, do you not have a family or job? Again, everybody’s minds are made up on every subject here. You could have stated, “Nope, not angels,” and that would have been just as validating. There are so many contending theories to the contrary. There are some books that suggest there were survivors of a pre-apocalyptic world, the first Genesis and that Adam was created after. The daughters of men were them, and the sons of God, were of Adam. Others think it may have been like a caveman, that God created “men” separately and Adam was a race specifically in His image, “man 2.0”. These other men were the ones Cain was afraid of. Others think that when it states we were made, as the Bible states, in the image of the gods, that we are close enough genetically to have DNA spliced together with heavenly visitors. All of these theories cannot be proven or disproven by scripture. Genesis is lacking in detail to say the least. However, suggesting the line of Seth are the sons of God and produced supernatural children with their cousins is just not intellectually honest.

I don't believe you. I have experience otherwise. Feel free to stick around for the rest. You might learn sumthin'.

Reposting to counter the massive tome few if any read:

Now on to the questions I posed.

1. Are the Sons of God fallen angels or Seth's children?
The ONLY other times the Hebrew term used in Genesis 6 is used is in Job clearly referring to Angels.

Short. Simple. Not to mention Jude tells us explicitly they ARE Angels.




2. If it is not as Jude says, the sexual sin of going after strange flesh that the angels are being held in Tarturus until the final judgement, what sin ARE they being held for?

Your "Chiasms" fall apart because of the definition of the word "habitations". They did leave their governing office office or their "estate", but they ALSO left their Heavenly bodies, or "habitations". I already showed you how that word is only used one other time to describe OUR Heavenly body we will receive.

Word: oikhthrion
Pronounce: oy-kay-tay'-ree-on
Strongs Number: G3613
Orig: neuter of a presumed derivative of 3611 (equivalent to 3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):--habitation, house. G3611
Use: TDNT-5:155,674 Noun Neuter
Heb Strong:

1. 1) a dwelling place, habitation
   1a) of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit

And Jude DEFINITELY relates the going after strange flesh in a sexual manner the men of Sodom committed (homosexuality) with the strange flesh in a sexual manner the fallen angels went after (Human beings).

So again you err in saying the only reason the angels are being held in Tartarus is for leaving their "estate".

Tartarus is where ONLY the fallen angels are held, not human beings.




On to question 3.... GIANTS!


Genesis 6
4 There were [b]GIANTS on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


There are many references to giants, AND NOT JUST REALLY TALL 7ft. HUMANS. I'll just talk about a few.

Amos 2:
9 “Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Whose height was like the height of the cedars,
And he was as strong as the oaks;
Yet I destroyed his fruit above
And his roots beneath.

Cedar trees grow to at least 35 to 50 feet. This passage is God Himself speaking. Is God a Liar?

Here is mention of a "smaller" Giant of at least 14 or 15 Feet.

Deuteronomy 3:11 “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the [b]giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.

He would be bigger than 2 Shaquille O'neals standing on their shoulders!! Shaq is 7ft 1 inch.

Numbers 13:33 There we saw the [h]giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like[i] grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

I'm 6ft tall. If I saw 7ft people, I wouldn't describe myself as a grasshopper in their sight. In fact, MOST humans in recorded history that have been taller than 7.5 ft have many heath problems and their height is generally regarded as a genetic defect.


So these Giants are of pure human DNA? Ridiculous!!!

It might be, but I am glad I never said such a thing. I specifically stated the "sons of God" are the spiritual children of God. That's what you get for not reading, and studying properly.

Yeah, that answers what has been presented from scripture, right? Re-hashed ... wait I said that already ...

I am not even off of page 20 yet and the study is about 166 pages ... you might want to start actually reading ...