Angels

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Procreation, according to scripture (KJB), as demonstrated by texts and by the specific words, exists among man-kind (amongst themselves; "male" with "female" of like/same "kind"; "marriage" existing among the "children" "of this world" (Luke 20:34) and no other) and with other creatures (of each Kind amongst themselves) of the "earth":

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.​

The rebellious cast out angels (which are neither 'ethereal' or non-entities, neither gaseous non-forms), etc (Satan and his ilk) through manipulation and twisting of the truth and causing doubt in the words of God, are only able to "possess" (never 'procreate' with) those upon this world.

possessed - Matthew 4:24, 8:16,28,33, 9:32, 12:22; Mark 1:32, 5:15,16,18; Luke 8:36; Acts 8:7, 16:16; which deals with control over, dominion over and ownership of - Numbers 21:24,35; Deuteronomy 3:12, 4:47, 30:5; Joshua 1:15, 12:1, 13:1, 19;47, 21:43, 22:9; Judges 3:13, 11:21,22; 2 Kings 17:24; Nehemiah 9:22,24,25; Psalms 139:13; Proverbs 8:22; Isaiah 63:18; Jeremiah 32:15,23; Daniel 7:22; Proverbs 8:22; Acts 4:32; 1 Corinthians 7:30​

Possession, deals with 'mind upon mind', a surrender of the will to the devil (2 Chronicles 30:8; Romans 6:13,16), not a physical entering [it is not like the many Holywood movies and fictional books portray], for satan and the devils are physical beings [more on this later in detail as needful], which, somewhat like in modern hypnosis, take control of the mind, and of the will, and thus the one "possessed" [taken control of the mind] will obey the will of the one surrendered to, and follow suggestions and commands:

Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.​

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Joh_13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;​

Additionally scripture, by Paul, says that the (Rebellious) Angels are not the same "kind" or even have the same "Flesh" as mankind, having a completely different nature (Jude 1:7; Hebrews 2:16; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41):

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.​

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Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.​

Ephesians 6:12; refers to "flesh and blood" of sinful (fallen) flesh men (Matthew 16:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50; Galatians 1:16; Hebrews 2:14), in contrast to the rebellious beings, which are the "spiritual wickedness" (not "spirit wickedness) in High places, as like in the days of Daniel, etc. (Daniel 10:13,20), for satan sits upon the "throne of iniquity" (Psalms 94:20), "satan's seat" (Revelation 2:13).

Jesus said, in regards mankind as they presently are, and as angels as they presently are:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.​

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Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.​

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Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:​

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Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:​

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Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.​

The texts reads "are as" ("εισιν ως"; "εισινG1510 V-PAI-3P ωςG5613 ADV"; Verb, Present, Active, Indicative, 3rd person Plural; with Adverb - GNT-TR). Angels are not "children of this world", and never will be (as their origin is from Heaven, Celestial).

Angels (good or evil) have no ability to change their flesh nature, neither, mankind:

Jer_13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.​

Angelic beings (even when rebellious) have a nature (Hebrews 2:16) which cannot be killed/destroyed as yet, until God does so by fire:

Mat_25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:​

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Mat_8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?​

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Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.​

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Eze_28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.​

Let us move onward to the immediate and surrounding context of the term "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2,4, and notice the word "wives" (which is marriage, an institution of God for the "children of this world" and no other).

 

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Because they were greatly seperated children of disobedience and rebellious nation then they saw a fair female and produced giants genes maybe? Then in sodom and gommorrah they couldn’t handle it so only the few carried the seed one couple and next is the mixing of their own families by making descendants for future generations.

 

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I will deny...

I already noticed that and even said you would.

Question.

2Co_5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:​

2Co_5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.​

For how many of mankind did Jesus die for? For how many angels?

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Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.​

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Act_17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;​

How many races of mankind are there, and how many blood?

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For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:

Genesis 10:8,9, 14:5, 15:20; Numbers 13:32,33; Deuteronomy 2:11,20,21, 3:11,13, 9:2; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18,22, 21:16,18,19,20,22; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 14:9, 20:4,5,6; Isaiah 17:5, 45:14​

For “men of reknown” see:

Numbers 1:16, 16:2, 26:9; 1 Chronicles 5:24, 12:30​

Are "giants" in 'your view' of the nature and being of mankind in any way?

 

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When Mary received the news of the Angel she didn’t know what face to rely on so the Angel carried the face of Jesus just so she can have an idea of what the baby will look like idk i saw it in a video it made think [genes]

 

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Since it is clear in scripture (KJB) that the "angels" "neither marry nor, are given in marriage", and the scriptures "cannot be broken" (John 10:35) and are "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16), this automatically excludes all of the created angelic hosts [loyal or rebellious] from the context as given in Genesis 6:2, for it says "they [sons of God] took them wives"; and a wife only comes through marriage which is an institution specifically given unto man-kind, who is "flesh and blood", by God Himself, so that the two [man and woman; husband and wife of the "one blood" (Acts 17:26), same "kind"] become "one flesh" (which is not possible between man-kind and angel-kind; 1 Corinthians 15:39-41; Jude 1:7; Hebrews 2:16), as Genesis 2:24 shows (Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.):

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,​

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Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.​

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Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.​

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Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.​

Please take careful notice that the text of Genesis 6:4, declares that "giants" already existed on earth before the "sons of God came in unto the daughters of men", for it clearly uses the words, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men".

Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, ... Enoch ... Methuselah, Noah were all 'giant'. Adam was a little more than twice as tall as men are now living (probably around 15 feet and well proportioned), and even just below that, at around a little higher than shoulder height.

Let none confuse what scripture says with pagan mythologies (Acts 14:11) [Norse, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, etc], about 'gods' coming down and siring children, of which Paul and Barnabus told them to quit such activities and practices, as elsewhere (Acts 14:15, 17:29-30). Even in those scenarios, it was generally 'men' that were made into 'gods' and later mythologized (Nimrod, Semiramis, Tamuz, etc). The Bible is not paganism (all of which is error). Let our study be derived from the word itself.

Another reason to consider why the term “sons of God" in Genesis 6 cannot be referring to the rebellious angels is because the text would then have more likely read "the devils (apostate angels) ... took them wives", but the text obviously does not read in this manner, and even further is that 2 of the 3 texts, which also read "sons of God", in the Book of Job [which many incorrectly compare Genesis 6 to], are already referring to Lucifer at so early a point as "Satan" [the Adversary/Accuser], which is in stark contrast to the "sons of God" (of the unfallen worlds). Even further we may already see in Genesis 3:1,2,4,13-14, he is already referred to as the "serpent":

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.​

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Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.​

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Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.​

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Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.​

This meeting (like as 1 Kings 22:19; 2 Chronicles 18:18), took place in Heaven, since it was "before the LORD", and satan had left the earth to come to it, and to come "among them". These "sons of God" in Job 1 & 2, are the rulers of the unfallen worlds.

None of these Job texts, in regards the “sons of God”, are dealing with the timing or context of the Genesis 6-9 KJB account.

Job 1:6, 2:1 KJB deals with the timeframe in a period well after the flood, in Heaven (3rd), and Job 38:4-7 KJB deals with the timeframe long before the flood, in Heaven (3rd), when the earth was created, when there was no man-kind as Adam yet.

The only texts in Job which are dealing directly with the timeframe of the flood, are Job 22:15,16,17, 26:5 KJB, and please notice it speaks of “men” (mankind, not angelic beings).

Job 22:15 Hast thou marked the old way which wicked men have trodden?​

Job 22:16 Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood:​

Job 22:17 Which said unto God, Depart from us: and what can the Almighty do for them?​

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Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.​

 

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But let us now look at what the texts actually say and so delve a little deeper into the previously given context of Genesis, where we will find the answer to Genesis 6:2,4, for it will give a clearer understanding of who these "sons of God" actually are.

At this point, please read through Genesis 1:1-Genesis 6 to gather the background events that led up to the Flood and the reasons for it.

Adam (and thus also Eve) was originally created in the "image of God" (Genesis 1:26,27).

It is plainly given that after Adam and Eve had sinned, they were given a promise (the Gospel, Genesis 3:15), and were then clothed by God with the skin (Genesis 3:21) of "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" [Revelation 13:8; representing, by shadow and type, the loving Sacrifice of God and the Atonement for man-kind] and afterward were expelled from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:23-24). Once they were removed from Paradise, Adam and Even sired children, Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-2) and later also others, "sons and daughters" (Genesis 5:4), which came in Adam's own "image" (Genesis 5:3) after the fall, through sin, one of whom Cain, having "went out from the presence of the LORD" (Genesis 4:16, see also Job 22:17), would marry for "wife" (Genesis 4:17) and live in the land of Nod (wandering, nomadic), until he built the first human "city" (Genesis 4:17).

The sacrifice of a lamb, the shadow and type, was continued and kept by fallen man-kind, in the hope of the coming Redeemer (Genesis 3:15, 4:2,4), who was the reality, and is made even more plain in Genesis 4 by faithful and righteous Abel (Matthew 23:35; Hebrews 11:4) who "brought of the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" as an "offering" (Genesis 4:4).

However, during the process of time and continued offerings, Abel's brother Cain, ceased to follow in the specific example and type given of the "slain Lamb" by God Himself, but rather chose, in this one aspect, his own method and means of "offering" to God – that being the "fruit of the ground" (Genesis 4:3). This represented Cain's own "works", which came from the "cursed" ground. Yet Abel's "offering", which came in the faith of the Redeemer to come (Genesis 3:5), was accepted by the LORD, but Cain's "offering" was not, which he became exceedingly angry over (Genesis 4:5). Thus we see already two people groups upon the earth forming:

[1] the faithful-repentant (Abel, later Seth), [those that "call[ed] upon the name of the LORD" in faith], called "sons of God" (John 1:12; Romans 8:14,19; Philippians 2:15; 1 John 3:1-2), being remade in "the image of God" (2 Corinthians 4:4).​

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Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:​

Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.​

Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;​

1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.​

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

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[2] an unfaithful-disobedient (Cain), [those who would stay out from the presence of the LORD], staying in the "image" of fallen "man" (thus; "daughters of men"), see Genesis 5:3.​

Although the LORD lovingly counseled and warned Cain to avoid sin (Genesis 4:6-7) [in this case anger without a cause, which led to murder], Cain instead, in faithlessness and rebellion, chose not to listen to God and went to his brother Abel – and so Cain arose and "slew" [murdered] (1 John 3:12) his brother (Genesis 4:8).

After being "mark"[ed], Cain "went out from the presence of the LORD" (Genesis 4:16) and eventually had a great great great grandson named "Lamech" (Genesis 4:18), who not only followed in Cain's "way" (Jude 1:11), but increased in wickedness.

This is extremely important for understanding the later and later transpiring events that led up to the Judgment of the Flood, for Lamech followed not only in the spiritual footsteps of Cain's rebellion in murdering another (Genesis 4:23), and even used the LORD as an excuse (Genesis 4:24), but it is clearly detailed that he even married "two wives" (Genesis 4:19) [the very first mentioned to do so, polygamy] which went against the original plan for marriage, which was given for man to have one wife (Genesis 2:24). Many then followed suit, even going to so far that they did not ask counsel of God for whom to marry (As Adam, unto Eve), but instead they "chose" (Genesis 6:2) whom they would, even murdering (filling the earth with "violence"; Genesis 6:11), and marrying multiple "wives" (Genesis 6:2). The more spiritual line of Seth, which had been close to God, obeying their parents (Adam and Eve) and the Garden of Eden, before its walls (Genesis 3:24), began to move out and intermingle and to intermarry with the spiritual line of Cain, who had left and became city-dwellers, and were thus influenced by their idolatry and practices, corrupting the people who had, "call[ed] upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26).

The picture is thus becoming clearer that the phrase "sons of God", as used in Genesis 6 is not ever meant to denote "angels" but is rather a term which had represented those of man-kind who were "spiritually minded" (Romans 8:6), those who had "begun to call upon the name of the LORD" (Genesis 4:26) [See also Acts 22:16 for a similar reference], like the prophet Enoch (Jude 1:14), who continued to be faithful and followed and "walked" (Genesis 5:22,24) with the LORD in the "ways of God" (Deuteronomy 8:6, 10:12; 2 Samuel 22:22; Psalms 18:21) as did righteous Noah (Genesis 7:1) who was a "just man", "perfect in his generations" (Genesis 6:9) and was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5) [See Psalms 119:172 for "righteousness"]. Yet, as scripture shows, these men began to be lured away, becoming unevenly yoked in marriages (2 Corinthians 6:14) and multiple marriages and eventually apostatized fully, corrupting all flesh upon the earth.

 

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The entire context of Genesis 6 begins and deals with "men" (Genesis 6:1) and "flesh" (Genesis 6:12) of that world which perished and not "angels" who are not of this world, but "celestial" (1 Corinthians 15:40), not having the same "blood" and "flesh" as mankind have (1 Corinthians 15:39; Hebrews 2:16). In fact passage after passage reveals the dealings of God with the doings and "wickedness of man" (Genesis 6:5), and not one passage says anything about "angels" (whom all rebellious angels survived the flood, though fearing for their lives amidst the global catastrophic deluge from God's judgment):

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,​

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.​

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. [As a side note, this passage is not revealing a "capstone" to the age limit of man-kind hereafter, for Job lived past the age of 120, as did many others post-flood, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Terah, Abraham, Sarah, Ishamel, Isaac, etc, but is rather giving the allotted time for man-kind's repentance to the preaching of Enoch and Noah, etc. After 120 years, the Ark being finished and Noah, his wife and his son's and their wives went in, the door finally sealed and shut and the Judgment of the Flood came upon those who rejected the only means of salvation.]​

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.​

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.​

Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.​

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.​

Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.​

Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.​

Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.​

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.​

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.​

Angels are nowhere mentioned explicitly in the context. Not once.

If we understand the events as they unfolded in the earlier chapters of Genesis, with Satan, Cain and Lamech [faithlessness, rebellion, anger, murder, multiple wives, excuses, disobedience, going out from the presence of the LORD and so on] and with Adam, Eve, Seth, Enoch, Noah [faith, repentance, obedience, walking with GOD, just, righteousness, calling upon the name of the LORD and so on], etc., we can then understand what was going on in Genesis 6. Man-kind had begun to become many and "multiply" (Genesis 6:1) and two opposing sides could be clearly seen and witnessed upon the earth. Abel/Seth's and Cain's - Those looking for the promised redeemer, continuing with the True sacrifice and offering and those who rejected the message and substituted their own form of worship and offerings.

However, as it went, even the "sons of God" [the spiritually minded descendants who were keeping the ways of the true God] had begun to look upon the fair "daughters of men" (those city-dwellers of Cain) taking "wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2) [except for righteousness Noah and his sons who all only had one wife each (Genesis 7:13)] and so they had began to apostatize and become worldly and so they began to intermingle, being led astray, and also to intermarry which led them to "corrupt" the "ways of God" through "violence" and "wickedness" - and "every imagination of the thoughts" of man-kind's "heart [was] only evil continually". And so the Judgment of the Flood was given, preached unto repentance, and finally received by those who rejected, grieving away the Holy Spirit of God [Genesis 6:3; 1 Peter 3:18-21; 2 Peter 2:5]:

Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.​

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.​

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.​

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Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:​

Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.​

Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.​

The problem of intermixing and intermarrying [amongst the "people, children and sons of God" (of this earth) with the "daughters of men, gentiles, nations, world", etc] and having multiple wives leading into overt apostasy against God Almighty and directly into the bondage of sin, adultery, fornication and idolatry is given all throughout scripture in crystal clear testimony in all of such actions disastrous endeavors. Let us look at the repeat of history from the time of Cain/Lamech, unto the end ...

 

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Who are “Sons of God” ?

Genesis 6 mentions the “sons of God.” Are they angels or men?
If so, did angels marry and reproduce, and have offspring.
The phrase can be used three different ways in the Bible:

1) Men (Genesis 6:1-4; Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:10).
Yes Genesis 6 is referring to men, not angels.

2) Angels (Job 38:5-7; Hebrews 1:5).

3) Spirit-begotten humans (Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:1; 2 Peter 1:4).

The first two groups are both created “sons of God,” physical and spiritual.
But only men, created physical “sons of God,” unlike the angels, may
become spiritual “sons of God” through a begettal by God’s Holy Spirit.

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have
I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
(Hebrews 1:5).

Christ is recorded in the Gospel accounts as stating that angels are created spirits.
They cannot reproduce by sexual intercourse or any other means (see Luke 20:34-36;
Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25).

When we are also composed of spirit like the angels, we will not have sexual function.

The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,
the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown” . [men]


Genesis 6:2 says that the “sons of God” took wives. Since they married women, they could
not be angels. Notice verse three: “The Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man.”

Here, again, the sons of God are called man. Because these sons of God sinned, God con-
tinues in verse 7, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth .…”

So far, not one word about angels! Angels are spirits and could not be destroyed by water.
With the flood, “all flesh died … and every man. … Noah only remained alive, and they that
were with him in the ark” (Genesis 7:21-23).

If Angels and woman sinned in this, why punish man?

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

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The problem of intermixing and intermarrying [amongst the "people, children and sons of God" (of this earth) with the "daughters of men, gentiles, nations, world", etc] and having multiple wives leading into overt apostasy against God Almighty and directly into the bondage of sin, adultery, fornication and idolatry is given all throughout scripture in crystal clear testimony in all of such actions disastrous endeavors. Let us look at the repeat of history from the time of Cain/Lamech, unto the end (even as it was in the day of Noah, the days of Lot)

This was reiterated in the days of Moses:

Exo 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;​

Exo 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.​

… In the days of the Second Giving of the Law:

Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. [See King Solomon]​

… In the days of the prophet Balaam and King Balak, with the People Israel:

Num 25:1 And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.​

Num 25:2 And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.​

Num 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.​

… In the days of Abraham and Isaac:

Gen 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:​

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Gen 24:37 And my master made me swear, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife to my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, in whose land I dwell:​

… In the days of Esau and Jacob:

Gen 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:​

Gen 26:35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.​

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Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; [compared to Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 - Jacob, who did not take the daughters of Canaan]​

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Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.​

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Gen 36:2 Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;​

… In the days of Isaac and Jacob:

Gen 27:46 And Rebekah said to Isaac, I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth: if Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heth, such as these which are of the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me?​

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Gen 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.​

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Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;​

… In the days of Jacob and Hamor:

Gen 34:9 And make ye marriages with us, and give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.​

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Gen 34:14 And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:​

… In the time of Judges of Israel:

Jdg 3:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:​

Jdg 3:6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.​

Jdg 3:7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.​

… In the time of Samson the Judge:

Jdg 14:1 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines.​

Jdg 14:2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife.​

Jdg 14:3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.​

… In the Chronicles:

1Ch 5:24 And these were the heads of the house of their fathers, even Epher, and Ishi, and Eliel, and Azriel, and Jeremiah, and Hodaviah, and Jahdiel, mighty men of valour, famous men, and heads of the house of their fathers.​

1Ch 5:25 And they transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them.​

 

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… In the days of Ezra:

Ezr 9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.​

Ezr 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.​

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Ezr 9:11 Which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands, with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their uncleanness.​

Ezr 9:12 Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth for ever: that ye may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever.​

... In the days of Nehemiah:

Neh 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.​

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Neh 10:28 And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;​

Neh 10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;​

Neh 10:30 And that we would not give our daughters unto the people of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons:​

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Neh 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:​

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Neh 13:25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.​

Neh 13:26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.​

Neh 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?​

... and also again in the days of King Solomon:

1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;​

1Ki 11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.​

1Ki 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.​

1Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.​

1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.​

1Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.​

1Ki 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.​

1Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.​

Many "sons of God" "looked"/"saw" and “beheld” ["saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" and "took them wives of all which they chose" (Genesis 6:2)] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, "she pleaseth me well", or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action "from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon" (2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9) and Solomon who "multiplied wives" and "loved many strange women" and all Israel who took of the "daughters of the land"], and then "lusted and coveted" and so were ensnared being "Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols" [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14]:

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

For James says:

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.​

Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.​

And in the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the "people of God" also today to "come out" of Spiritual "Babylon" [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11] that "great Whore" [Revelation 17:1, 19:2], and her harlot "daughters":

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?​

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?​

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.​

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,​

2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.​

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.​

 

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Fallen angels had sex with human women creating a hybrid race,
called the nephillim.

Is there any scientific evidence to sugest there was
a hybrid race of man, called the nephillim ?

Would they have different D.N.A. then man ? Has any been found?

Genesis 6:4 talks about “giants” in the land before the flood. The English word
giants is translated from two original Hebrew words: Rephaim and Nephilim.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they were tall men, like Anakim
(Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).
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In "Exploring Ancient History", the word giant in Genesis 6:4 comes from the word
Nephilim, which means “a feller,” or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of great physical might. In other words,
the pre-Flood Nephilim were giants in strength but not in tallness of stature.
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Science jives with the bible

Humans and “Neanderthals” are practically identical at the dna code level.

What did the scientists find? Simply put: Neanderthals are human. There was virtually
no difference between the two codes. The few differences they did find were so slight
that researchers say that they are functionally irrelevant—and that if more Neanderthal
genomes could be compared there might be no differences at all!

But that is not all the scientists found. The data suggests Neanderthals are as closely related
to humans as Chinese are to Germans, or French to Javanese. Furthermore, the genetic material
analyzed indicated that Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that interbred
—and regularly.

“Whatever our differences, they’re not in the composition of your building blocks,” reported
Wired Science. The “Neanderthal genome shows most humans are cavemen”
All those supposed pre-man, caveman bones are actually just plain old human skeletons.
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Over the years, as more Neanderthal bones have been dug up, a far different picture from
the brutish, ignorant, unhygienic ape-caveman has emerged. Most scientists now admit that
Neanderthals walked upright with a posture and gait like humans today.

They cared for their families, buried their dead, used many types of tools, and cooked their
food. Recent discoveries also show that at least some women carried compacts and used
different types of makeup including foundation layers and blush.

The main difference is that Neanderthals are slightly shorter than average, but have larger
hands, thicker arm and leg bones and were significantly more muscled. They also had larger
skulls, and brains about 11 percent larger than the typical human, but well within the range
found today.

The scientists that now admit Neanderthals were fully human have reclassified them as
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis—which is just the scientific way of saying the bones are
a variety of true humans.
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Prior to the Flood, the Earth became filled with evil and violence. It was a time of inter-
marrying between the different races God had created. It was also a time of rapid tech-
nological advancement.

The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was the first to work with metal
and develop instruments of war (Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and arrows of Tubalcain’s armies.
the “violence” that filled the Earth refers to a great war that took place before the Flood.

Eventually the violence and degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah, his three sons and their wives in a worldwide Flood.

Were Neanderthals the Genesis “Giants”? The Bible describes a race of pre-Flood
humans that grew to dominate the cultural landscape before being wiped out.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood times matches perfectly
with the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.
Not to be confused with the taller Rephaim after the flood.

 

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Another question must be asked, "Is the term "sons of God" only used in the context of "angels" [being the reference to the passages in the Book of Job 1 &2 that many quote] in scripture?"

Far be it, for many more are used in reference to man-kind. Sons of God, Children of the Light, Resurrection, the Heirs of the Father, etc:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,​

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.​

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.​

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.​

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Deu 14:1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.​

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Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.​

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Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.​

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2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:​

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[Notice the two groups again, those of God's children, and those of the children of men]​

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Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.​

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Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.​

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Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.​

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Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.​

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Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.​

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Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.​

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Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.​

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Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.​

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Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.​

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Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:​

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Joh 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.​

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Joh 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.​

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Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:​

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Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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Php 4:20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.​

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Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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1Th 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.​

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1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.​

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2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:​

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2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,​

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Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.​

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Phm 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.​

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Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:​

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Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.​

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Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.​

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Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.​

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Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.​

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Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.​

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[Paul just cited the OT of Hosea 1:10 [Translit. Heb.] w'häyäh miš'Par B'nëy-yis'räël K'chôl haYäm ásher lo-yiMad w'lo yiŠäfër w'häyäh Bim'qôm ásher-yëämër lähem lo-aMiy aTem yëämër lähem B'nëy ël-chäy ]​

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Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.​

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Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.​

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Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.​

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2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.​

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Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;​

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Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;​

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Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?​

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1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.​

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1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.​

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1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

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1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.​

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Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?​

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1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,​

Other:

Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.​

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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.​

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Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.​

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Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.​

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Psa 29:1 A Psalm of David. Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength.​

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Psa 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?​

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Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.​

Let us see the reverse, and come back to the Job passages.

 

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One could very well also contrast the many passages on the "sons of God", as men, to the passages that discuss the "seed" of satan, "children of disobedience", "children of the devil", "of that wicked one", [those who are carnally minded, disobedient to the Law and Commandments of God and are the spiritual seed of Satan] etc:

The reverse and contrast:

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.​

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Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;​

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Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.​

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Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?​

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1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.​

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1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.​

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1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.​

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1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.​

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1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.​

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1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.​

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1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.​

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1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.​

Jesus does make specific mention of the contrast [of the two; God or Satan] as to who one was subservient to:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

As does Paul:

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?​

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Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.​

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Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:​

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Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.​

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Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:​

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Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.​

As does Peter:

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;​

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["spirits in prison" are men bound in sinful lives, see: Psalms 142:7; Isaiah 42:6-7, 61:1; Luke 4:18]​

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1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.​

 

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Some have asked the question, "If Genesis 6:2,4's "sons of God" are really children of Seth, and not angels, then why doesn't it say that?"

There is a reason it does not say "sons of Seth", but rather "sons of God".

[Not what it says] "of Seth", simply states human birth/generation of the flesh, but

[What it says] "of God", refers to being born-again, as already shown, as men called upon the name of the LORD, accepting the promise of Genesis 3:15.

The "daughters of men" refers to those not "born" "of God", but simply born after the flesh of men, in the likeness of men (Genesis 5:3).

The text should not say "sons of Seth", for it would not be accurate in its contextual (Genesis 1 onward) details.

We see two spiritual lines, and those which come into those same two choices:

[1] Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.​

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[2] Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.​

Thus we have Adam having many children, some choosing to "call upon the name of the LORD", as Seth, etc, while others choosing instead to go after "the way of Cain" (Jude 1:11) and go "out from the presence of the LORD", saying to God, "Depart from us." (Job 21:14, 22:17).

[1] Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.​

Gen 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.​

Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.​

Gen 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.​

Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.​

Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.​

Gen 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.​

Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.​

And:

[2] Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.​

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.​

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Gen 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:​

Gen 5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.​

Gen 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:​

Gen 5:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.​

Gen 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:​

Gen 5:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.​

Gen 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:​

Gen 5:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.​

Gen 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:​

Gen 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.​

Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:​

Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:​

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.​

Gen 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:​

Gen 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.​

Gen 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:​

Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.​

Gen 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:​

Gen 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.​

Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.​

All the way back from Enoch and Methuselah, we see God about to send the Flood, for it is said of Enoch:

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.​

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Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,​

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Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.​

And Enoch named his son a prophetic name, Methuselah, which means, in his death it [the Flood] shall be sent [by God]. The name itself was basically a time/event prophecy as noted coming to its end here, though no one would know the exact day nor hour, except God [hint, hint... typology, History is repeating itself]:

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.​

It was said also of Noah:

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;​

None of the materials given in Genesis 1-3, nor 4-5, say anything about the Flood being sent because of devil-human hybrids, etc, but it does speak of the wickedness of the hearts of men, and their wicked deeds, Cain a murderer, like Lamech distorting marriage, etc, etc. Genesis 6:1,3,5 which surrounds vss 2,4 deals with "men" [mankind].

Not an explicit word about any of the angelic hosts.

I will come to the Job passages (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7) in a minute, and show by Scripture, that their context is not referring to the timeframe of the flood at all, though there is a passage in Job which does specifically deal with that timeframe, and it speaks of "wicked men".

 

[Hungry]

Wow! PyongPing, when I suggested not to waste your time and that it would only frustrate you, you should have listened. All the time you spent, is in vain. Nobody is going to read all of that. I took two verses and cross checked them and they were inaccurate. Look at the length you have gone to in the attempt to convince yourself, that you were correct. I’m not patronizing, just trying to be helpful. Honestly, do you not have a family or job? Again, everybody’s minds are made up on every subject here. You could have stated, “Nope, not angels,” and that would have been just as validating. There are so many contending theories to the contrary. There are some books that suggest there were survivors of a pre-apocalyptic world, the first Genesis and that Adam was created after. The daughters of men were them, and the sons of God, were of Adam. Others think it may have been like a caveman, that God created “men” separately and Adam was a race specifically in His image, “man 2.0”. These other men were the ones Cain was afraid of. Others think that when it states we were made, as the Bible states, in the image of the gods, that we are close enough genetically to have DNA spliced together with heavenly visitors. All of these theories cannot be proven or disproven by scripture. Genesis is lacking in detail to say the least. However, suggesting the line of Seth are the sons of God and produced supernatural children with their cousins is just not intellectually honest.

 

[PyongPing]

Nobody is going to read all of that.

I don't believe you. I have experience otherwise. Feel free to stick around for the rest. You might learn sumthin'.

 

[PennEd]

Reposting to counter the massive tome few if any read:

Now on to the questions I posed.

1. Are the Sons of God fallen angels or Seth's children?
The ONLY other times the Hebrew term used in Genesis 6 is used is in Job clearly referring to Angels.

Short. Simple. Not to mention Jude tells us explicitly they ARE Angels.




2. If it is not as Jude says, the sexual sin of going after strange flesh that the angels are being held in Tarturus until the final judgement, what sin ARE they being held for?

Your "Chiasms" fall apart because of the definition of the word "habitations". They did leave their governing office office or their "estate", but they ALSO left their Heavenly bodies, or "habitations". I already showed you how that word is only used one other time to describe OUR Heavenly body we will receive.

Word: oikhthrion
Pronounce: oy-kay-tay'-ree-on
Strongs Number: G3613
Orig: neuter of a presumed derivative of 3611 (equivalent to 3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):--habitation, house. G3611
Use: TDNT-5:155,674 Noun Neuter
Heb Strong:

1. 1) a dwelling place, habitation
   1a) of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit

And Jude DEFINITELY relates the going after strange flesh in a sexual manner the men of Sodom committed (homosexuality) with the strange flesh in a sexual manner the fallen angels went after (Human beings).

So again you err in saying the only reason the angels are being held in Tartarus is for leaving their "estate".

Tartarus is where ONLY the fallen angels are held, not human beings.




On to question 3.... GIANTS!


Genesis 6
4 There were [b]GIANTS on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


There are many references to giants, AND NOT JUST REALLY TALL 7ft. HUMANS. I'll just talk about a few.

Amos 2:
9 “Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them,
Whose height was like the height of the cedars,
And he was as strong as the oaks;
Yet I destroyed his fruit above
And his roots beneath.

Cedar trees grow to at least 35 to 50 feet. This passage is God Himself speaking. Is God a Liar?

Here is mention of a "smaller" Giant of at least 14 or 15 Feet.

Deuteronomy 3:11 “For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the [b]giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.

He would be bigger than 2 Shaquille O'neals standing on their shoulders!! Shaq is 7ft 1 inch.

Numbers 13:33 There we saw the [h]giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like[i] grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

I'm 6ft tall. If I saw 7ft people, I wouldn't describe myself as a grasshopper in their sight. In fact, MOST humans in recorded history that have been taller than 7.5 ft have many heath problems and their height is generally regarded as a genetic defect.


So these Giants are of pure human DNA? Ridiculous!!!

 

[PyongPing]

However, suggesting the line of Seth are the sons of God and produced supernatural children with their cousins is just not intellectually honest.

It might be, but I am glad I never said such a thing. I specifically stated the "sons of God" are the spiritual children of God. That's what you get for not reading, and studying properly.

 

[PyongPing]

Reposting to counter the massive tome few if any read:...

Yeah, that answers what has been presented from scripture, right? Re-hashed ... wait I said that already ...

I am not even off of page 20 yet and the study is about 166 pages ... you might want to start actually reading ...