Not By Works

Agreed. She’s just here to cause ruckus and division.

Well i think you just showed yoru true colors. We are not arguing the word of God, or against being obedient, We are arguing a salvation based on ones works. And those who teach it.

But since you continue to try to hash that out. I will take it you also believe this works based Gospel. In other words, your not here to argue the word, but your self righteousness. Which you evidently think God demands for payment for your sin.

Good lukc with that man. You will get no love here for that. And if your not. Your shown as just argumentative, taking what people say out of context. Refusing to admit you made a mistake

Either way, You starte of bad.

This is about justification. Not sanctification.

Again, Either you teach works, or your in the wrong thread. Show some humility and say what your purpose for attacking people teaching grace is.

His post on my COMPUTER is address to Deade. I have noticed it is occasionally a bit glitchy when it assigns the name of the person that is the original poster.

Hi DC my precious brother in Jesus.

I have been reading some of the stuff that has been said to you.

As you know in the past we have discussed how we (you/me) interact with people.
There have been times when I have expressed the words that you have written do seem harsh at times.

But I must say that is down to the good old English culture.
I wouldn't put things the way you do.
But as you know I have admitted many many times that I consider myself to soft.
It's not that I'm a pushover, and yes believe it or not I can be firm and get het up.

Over the last couple of years there is one thing that I have come to realise about you.

You do genuinely love people.
You love them enough to tell the the truth and it's always in love as a result of love and wanting to see people set free in Christ.

Jesus himself was so kind and loving to those who sought him out but was also harsh in his words towards those who tried to pervert his Gospel (which I think he did because it was the only way he could get his point accross to the brood of vipers)
As did the Apostles (you foolish Galatians)

You are a true man of God.
A brother in Jesus and a brother that I would walk with all the way.

A soppy "Love ya bro" from this side of the pond.

Bill

GOOD so are you using your mind or your flesh. And pplease answer those questions I possted earlier..

You do not know what salvation means, I’m not here to argue.



If you know what salvation is, you’d believe Jesus and believe his words..



Salvation is by grace - God gave us his son for free, that is salvation, if you believe..



Now you’re saved, if you fail to bear fruits you’ll be cut off..



Now you’re saved, if you live holy lives, you’re bearing fruits of righteousness..

Fruits of Righteousness folks, fruits of righteousness..



The Whole Scriptures speaks about this..



If you live sinful lives you’re not bearing fruits..



(this is the simplest form I think it can be put.)





If you really knew what salvation was, you’ll believe the book of james, we were saved by grace, but faith without works is dead..





Ask yourselves, if you believe in God and have the holy spirit. Will you or will you not bear fruits..





The one who said Jesus is deity, you want to use devilish schemes to divert me to another topic.. just go look up, 1 Corinthians 15:28KJV..



Jesus, Our King, Our Savior, Our Lord, is the son of God, our Father.



You cannot change the bible, you cannot alter the word of God.



Anyone who has ears to hear, let him hear, anyone who has eyes to see, do see.

Hypocrites and Pharisees..

Please pray for the sspirit of Liberty, Christ to remove the veil from your eyes..

Belief, faith and God's grace don't save you..

Coffee, cats and chocolate do..

Yes may we all do that.

No your the one who does not know what salvation is!

Salvation is not wishy washy, It is not something that can be given and lost. That is not salvation at all.

Paul warned us against people like you. Who teach we are saved by grace, but then must perfect that salvation by works. And he was not to happy about it. In fact he called them fools! Is that what you are? You claim salvation by grace, yet proclaim it can be lost if you do not earn it. Thats exactly what they taught also!

No one here is claiming you can be saved and never

That would be you my friend. The pharisees thought they were saved by their good deeds also. And that salvation was only for those who obeyed. Not for the sinner.

Jesus shuned them also.

I do not read every posts like some do, tell me where it is.

While I have disagreements with you I believe you are my brother in Christ. Disagreements are allowed outside of the creeds. So with you I agree to disagree with you!!

May be semantics but technically Jesus did not shun them.

He did a DC on them Sorry DC couldn't help myself.


Matthew 23:1-36
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’
8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’
17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’
19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt.
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Salvation is not by works, neither can it be perfected by works,

As a proof that the spirit of God LIVES in you, you’ll bear fruits of righteousness.. that cannot be simple for you i know..

In revelation where JEsus saays he’ll take out the light. I know that is nott simplee enough for you either.

The examples i listed, Saul, Ananias, Gauis, and you, if you were ever saved.

Just because I put the worrdd of God without corruption, it hurts you?

Without holiness, you cannot enter the kingdom of heeaavven.
Now christ gave us pure hearts, if you still sin, how is your heart pure?

Where is the sin cooming from?
Are you walking after the flesh, or after the spirit. Please answer...

You don’t want to agree with the word of God, because your father, the devil, has held you in sin, and you refused to healed of his grace.

It is evident, that you want to coontend.. when the bible is lear. ✌🏿