Not By Works

"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:12-17).

In what universe does 'kill' and 'murder' not mean the same thing? Context determines the meaning of words - not our preferred translation.

Addendum to previous post.
Today in the undeveloped countries missionaries use tape recorders to pass the Bible sections to illiterate people. They didn't have electronics back then. Everyone seems to look at the place we live in taday and impute it to those back then. That is not reality.

In what universe does 'kill' and 'murder' not mean the same thing? Context determines the meaning of words - not our preferred translation.

I'm no scholar and I don't intend to become one. My position on the KJB is a matter of conviction and settled simple childlike faith. It hasn't done me any wrong.

An honest man would know that the only changes in the Authorized text from 1611 to 1789 were spelling and punctuation changes.

In what universe does 'kill' and 'murder' not mean the same thing? Context determines the meaning of words - not our preferred translation.

I'm no scholar and I don't intend to become one. My position on the KJB is a matter of conviction and settled simple childlike faith. It hasn't done me any wrong.

An honest man would know that the only changes in the Authorized text from 1611 to 1789 were spelling and punctuation changes.

Murder is a deliberate act of violence. A person can be killed by unforseen results of actions. One fool jumped into a caged lion in a zoo. He was killed. How is that idiotic act murder? Think about the uses of the word before jumping to conclusions.

I hear so many people that hate the KJB justify their animosity toward it by telling us that it is archaic. Well, guess what - the archaic words are found in the modern versions as well.

http://www.av1611.org/kjv/vanceniv.html

I am an NIV devotee.* murder is a refined definition of kill used in courts. Thus killing a man is manslaughter but with malice and forethought is murder. Big difference. BTW, the *NIV is a more direct translation from the texts and remnants of the ones used by the council of Trent in 1611 but written and copyrighted in 1974, in modern English. Many others are paraphrased from King James and not direct translations from Greek, Hebrew, Latin etc.

A person could also by 'killed' by a sniper . . . but at least it isn't murder!

One fool jumped into a caged lion in a zoo. He was killed. How is that idiotic act murder?

You have a point. Let me revise the example. I was baptized of the Holy Spirit, and have faith in Jesus and trust in Jesus and my new person and as so many in the bible start out on fire for Jesus, but then something happens and they start slowing down and eventually fall away or turn from the truth and back to their unrighteousness.

Do you know any born-again Christian who was very active in their new person, but is no longer serving Jesus, and in fact has fallen away? You can say, they never were saved in the beginning, or you can say they were saved, but lost their way and will lose their salvation unless they see their fall and repent and come back to Jesus. Either way OSAS is not a correct doctrine.

Sounds more like suicide, though intent plays a role

While it is ok to use commentaries. It is not required. God will hold us accountable to what we believe, not what some man says we shoudl believe, Commentaries may be a guide, but I have yet to read a commentary or any writting n end time events where I agree with the person 100%. To say DC is in error because he does not use commentaries is not very good. I grew up listening to my pastors. And was so sure they was right, I would argue to my death what they believed was true, Until I started to do as DC did and study for myself. And realise much of what I taught was wrong. While yes, I did use books, and commentaries to see what others believed, no one commentator or book gave me what I believe.
However, It would be a good idea to study others, that way you do not come up with some believe no one has ever heard of.. which should give you a warning that maybe you on the wrong track. Even so, it does not mean we shoudl attack our brother because he has not used them.

"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:12-17).

You ignore the history of the creeds. They were written in the 200s to 500. Keep in mind the history of how things were back then. No printing presses then so Bibles were extremely rare and expensive. The word was spread by word of mouth and memorization of some documents or section of documents were used in place of the written words. This caused the creeds to be developed to spread the word of God. I have challenged some on this board to explain where any of these creeds were in error. They just say they ignore anything written by man. Their attitude ignores history of how Bibles were written. They were laboriously hand copied by scribes thus were rare and expensive. Also many of the common people were illiterate. So even if they somehow got one of the rare and extremely expensive Bibles they couldn't read it. At that time in history it was common for people to memorize important documents that were secular in nature. They did this with creeds and sections of the Bible. Using these is how the gospel was spread. Why do you and others ignore this part of history of how life was lived before printing presses and almost universal education of children in developed countries. Go look at how sections of the world are today in the very undeveloped areas. Poor illiterate scratching out a living with no schools, hospitals, and other things we take for granted living in North America. Even Mexico is head and shoulders above the way of life in these areas. Life was like that in the time of these creeds were written.

WHY DO YOU AND OTHERS IGNORE THE REALITY OF LIFE BACK THEN!!

I hear so many people that hate the KJB justify their animosity toward it by telling us that it is archaic. Well, guess what - the archaic words are found in the modern versions as well.

http://www.av1611.org/kjv/vanceniv.html

We have the LIVING WORD IN OUR HANDS NOW.

Why do you Trust the CREEDS more than the BIBLE?

Many People erroneously TRUST THE FACT THAT THEY BELIEVE IN THE CREEDS,

Rather than TRUST TOTALLY IN JESUS, establishing a REAL intimate, personal, LOVE relationship with the LORD, JESUS CHRIST.
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Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’