How was the Holy Spirit involved in creation?

The Bible says that Jesus created all things.

The Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

The Father had to be involved in creation for He is the Father of spirits, and all things are of the Father.

All 3 would have to be involved in creation.

But in this manner all things are of the Father, and by the Lord Jesus Christ.

And Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God, and the firstborn among the creatures.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were made by Him, and without Him there was not anything made that was made.

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.
All things were made with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything that He created.

God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, even though they were future events.

Jesus created all things as God, but all creation hinges on Him being the Savior of the world, who will judge both angels, and people.

The Bible says all things are of the Father, and all things by the Lord Jesus Christ for Him being the Savior is what makes creation successful.

But consider this.

Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, but where is the Son of God in this, for would it not be him that was conceived in flesh.

All things are of the Father, then how did the Spirit, and Jesus, partake in creation.

If Jesus created all things, and the one who saved us, then why is Jesus not our Father seeing He is the one who created people, and gave them salvation.

The Bible says the Father is above all, and through all, and in you all, so that would mean the Spirit, and Son, are not equal to the Father for He is above all.

How can all 3 persons of a trinity be an omnipresent Spirit for they would overlap each other.

If they say 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, and if they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, then they are saying 3 Gods.

The Bible says but to us there is but one God, the Father, and in another place, one God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through you all, and in you all.

So the New Testament only attributes the Father as being God.

Isaiah 9 says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.

In the Old Testament the Father said that He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them, and Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

If the Son is called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, then how is Jesus sitting next to the Father on a throne of His own.

For there is only one throne in heaven, and if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father, so why would the Father sit next to the Father as a visible image to the saints.

The Bible says that Jesus is the only Potentate, Ruler, but how can that be true if there is 3 persons of a trinity, and Jesus came to do the will of the Father, and said the Father is greater than Me.

Not 3 persons in one God, but the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles, but it is one God with no distinction of persons.

Father- parent of the saints.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and God in visible activity.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and God in invisible activity.

Now it makes sense the Spirit moved in creation, the child Christ Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

And all things are of the Father, and He is the greatest of all.

And Jesus is the creator of all things, who shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

And there is only one throne in heaven, God in the glorified body of the man Christ, and Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see.

For there is only one God with no distinction of persons.

imilarly, we find in Job 33 verse 4:

“The Spirit of God has made me. And the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

To me that is like saying the HS is a person.

God is Spirit indeed, and He spoke all things into being.

That was spoken by Elihu, who was not one of the three that had appointment with Job (Job 2:11) whom the LORD referred unto as the one who spoke without knowledge when the LORD appeared unto Job as Elihu concluded speaking and asked Job,
"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
Job 38:1-:2


Hello Zmouth, thank you for pointing out my mistake in quoting Job 33:4. I appreciate the correction, bro.

In Genesis 1, it is written that in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, not that God said let there be heaven and earth. It is written that God first spoke when said let there be light. Since God is light, then what light did God see when he saw the light?

The author of Genesis is trying to convey thoughts, not science.

The Maker of all that is is not a creature who needs materials to create, He ruly says and it is.

This calls for faith..........if it does not make sense, it is due to a lack, a void, of faith, simple as that.

That sounds all good and nice but it lacks one thing, truth.

So how do you know what the author of Genesis is trying to convey if you don't know who the author is?

Is that why Genesis 1 writes about the origin of the universe or why it is written Jesus said, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" seeing that the LORD said he would raise up men and put his words in their mouth.

The father of lies is the enemy, and I do not follow anything he says. I will not argue faith with anyone, so please do not attempt or tempt....God bless you.

Instead of digging deeper to gain insight, most just regurgitate written text without comprehension, never receiving the intended thought of the author.

There is no argument with faith, faith is the reasons for what one believes is true, so if one has faith then as written in 1 Peter 3:15. "... be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

If you don't feel comfortable answering questions regarding the reasons you believe something to be truth then that is certainly your prerogative, and I will respect your request not to be asked any questions.

I would not use holy scripture to justify contention......God bless you.

In which Book of the Word, that is the Way and the Truth and the Life, will we find Thomas Payne0s wisdom?

If you wish to pursue intellectual endeavor, that is what is referred to as what is falsly called knowledge, you may, but in the appropriate forum.

I don't know of any book which does not contain words, even the book of Numbers has words.

However, Thomas Paine taught about the fixed and unalterable laws which the reprobate mind is at enmity against since it is not subject to them nor indeed can it be, because it doesn't know that it doesn't know.

Since wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom and in all your getting get understanding that you get what you pay for, even if only with a glass of water.



If you are not interested in what God saw when he saw the light in Genesis 1:4; And God saw the light, that it was good; then if you don't need help mate then being born of the Spirit your ears can see walking what your eyes hear moving better than I so as you see, no questions.

You are focused on light, what about darkness? Look up the words. They don’t refer only to the spectrum or lack of light. Perhaps polarity? Positives and negatives. Protons and neutrons, essentially matter?