How was the Holy Spirit involved in creation?
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From all this you state that Jesus is not the Eternal and that he had a beginning. I would like you to show me that in scripture. Who was it the said "Let there be light" at creation, Jesus or the Father. 
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Do you find any irony in asking someone to show something written in the scriptures if faith comes by hearing and hearing by reading what is written in the scriptures? While it is written that through faith we understand that the worlds framed by the Bible ('word of God') or was the Son of God the foundation upon which the world was framed by principles (the doctrine of Christ) by which the universe is regulated an governed.
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Hebrews 11:3
While faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God, if though faith you understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God howbeit the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear?
"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: " Matt 25:34
The Holy Ghost, who is the image of the invisible God, who is the only one who has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: 1 Tim 6:16
So what did the Spirit see when he saw the light? If you need help mate answering the question, then ask yourself, do you wanna know?
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Hebrews 11:3
While faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God, if though faith you understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God howbeit the things which are seen were not made of things which do appear?
"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: " Matt 25:34
Who was it the said "Let there be light" at creation, Jesus or the Father.
So what did the Spirit see when he saw the light? If you need help mate answering the question, then ask yourself, do you wanna know?
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent fr
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent fr
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I think at Christ’ return there is going to be many people scratching their heads saying, “Huh!? This isn’t how I pictured it at all.”
There is so much inference injected into our theology, it clouds understanding. We are told, “God is spirit, the Spirit is God, God is the Father, God is Jesus. Elohim is God. There is only one God and He manifests Himself in three parts”. In an attempt to be non-heretical we formulate this into a theology which is a big mystery, rather than just reading what the Bible says. Elohim translated means gods. Sometimes it means God of Gods but not always. That’s why in Genesis sometimes it states Lord, God referring specifically to Jehovah our God. He is the self existent God. When He gave the command that we shall have no other gods, He didn’t dismis the existence of other gods, heavenly beings.
When the Bible states Jesus is God, it doesn’t state He is Jehovah, it states theos, meaning a heavenly being, the Son of Jehovah.
In Genesis 6, “the sons of God” is properly translated, “sons of the gods”.
Without getting overly complicated, or philosophical, what makes us? Does the zygote give birth to the soul, or does the soul give birth to the zygote? Just as the earth was created by the Word (logos) which actually means logic. It is systematic and balanced, hence light and dark. Regardless, from a couple of cells, logos (information encoded within the DNA) cause a “Big Bang” in the womb and from this everything starts to take shape. Even within the organism that we are, exist systems, all working in concert to maintain homeostasis, or balance. Every cell, every hormone subject to a higher power. These all subject to the brain, and the hypothalamus connected controlling the electrical and chemical systems of this machine. I believe that they are subject to our spirit, our essence. In this scenario all is us. There is an inscription called the Oracle of Delphi, stating, “Understand yourself and you will understand the gods and the universe.”
If we look at the universe metaphorically, would the Spirit of God be the “energitic lifeforce” bringing Jehovah into existence? Then as all is created from that nucleus which forms the brain, in essence the “god” or lord of the body, is Jehovah in command of the Universe? Are we more or less cells brought about to serve the whole? Is “the fall” like cancer where us cells no longer function in concert, reproducing uncontrollably, causing disease to spread? Was the flood like medicine, will the next be like radiation therapy destroying everything, then controlling regrowth with healthy cells?
Anyways, just a couple of thoughts to mull over or beat me up over. Your thoughts?
There is so much inference injected into our theology, it clouds understanding. We are told, “God is spirit, the Spirit is God, God is the Father, God is Jesus. Elohim is God. There is only one God and He manifests Himself in three parts”. In an attempt to be non-heretical we formulate this into a theology which is a big mystery, rather than just reading what the Bible says. Elohim translated means gods. Sometimes it means God of Gods but not always. That’s why in Genesis sometimes it states Lord, God referring specifically to Jehovah our God. He is the self existent God. When He gave the command that we shall have no other gods, He didn’t dismis the existence of other gods, heavenly beings.
When the Bible states Jesus is God, it doesn’t state He is Jehovah, it states theos, meaning a heavenly being, the Son of Jehovah.
In Genesis 6, “the sons of God” is properly translated, “sons of the gods”.
Without getting overly complicated, or philosophical, what makes us? Does the zygote give birth to the soul, or does the soul give birth to the zygote? Just as the earth was created by the Word (logos) which actually means logic. It is systematic and balanced, hence light and dark. Regardless, from a couple of cells, logos (information encoded within the DNA) cause a “Big Bang” in the womb and from this everything starts to take shape. Even within the organism that we are, exist systems, all working in concert to maintain homeostasis, or balance. Every cell, every hormone subject to a higher power. These all subject to the brain, and the hypothalamus connected controlling the electrical and chemical systems of this machine. I believe that they are subject to our spirit, our essence. In this scenario all is us. There is an inscription called the Oracle of Delphi, stating, “Understand yourself and you will understand the gods and the universe.”
If we look at the universe metaphorically, would the Spirit of God be the “energitic lifeforce” bringing Jehovah into existence? Then as all is created from that nucleus which forms the brain, in essence the “god” or lord of the body, is Jehovah in command of the Universe? Are we more or less cells brought about to serve the whole? Is “the fall” like cancer where us cells no longer function in concert, reproducing uncontrollably, causing disease to spread? Was the flood like medicine, will the next be like radiation therapy destroying everything, then controlling regrowth with healthy cells?
Anyways, just a couple of thoughts to mull over or beat me up over. Your thoughts?
El may be translated in the beginning as mighty one. This term was used for all men of might and also for the One Who is the Mighty one. Elohim is plural. These are simply words that evolved into usage as such.
I like keeping in mind that God said, "Come, let us make man in our image." I always think of the Father, the Son and theHoly Spirit when reflecting on this.
Yahweh is the closest thing you can get to a gerund in Hebrew fro the Hebrew verb Hayah. Hayah is transitve and says am (active. So I am means Someone Who Is but actively, making Himself , Self-Existing.
Since most people do not wnt to be bothered with these descriptions of our Maker, they never come to grips with Elohanu, our God.
Adon, Adoni and Adoneinu are Lord, My Lord, and Our Lord......again, no nystery here. Sarah referred to her husband, Abraham, as adoni………
It is my considered and studied result opinion and determinationthat there is no actual name as we think of names for our Father, but, reading in Zephaniah we find that coem the Kingdom God will return apure tongue (language) to all peple so they may call upon Him with one accord, one name that is.
So many have mystified the name Yahweh that they have no inclination as to its true meaing preferring to beholier-than-I never to utter this title but say or print YHVH instad.
His titles are too important not to shout to the world while given the understanding of each…..
God has been traced back as far as Sanskrit, but that is not its origin according to linquists, rather where the trace comes to a standstill.
hWhy are so many so fearful of learning these simple truths? Praise God---Yahweh---YHVH......
I like keeping in mind that God said, "Come, let us make man in our image." I always think of the Father, the Son and theHoly Spirit when reflecting on this.
Yahweh is the closest thing you can get to a gerund in Hebrew fro the Hebrew verb Hayah. Hayah is transitve and says am (active. So I am means Someone Who Is but actively, making Himself , Self-Existing.
Since most people do not wnt to be bothered with these descriptions of our Maker, they never come to grips with Elohanu, our God.
Adon, Adoni and Adoneinu are Lord, My Lord, and Our Lord......again, no nystery here. Sarah referred to her husband, Abraham, as adoni………
It is my considered and studied result opinion and determinationthat there is no actual name as we think of names for our Father, but, reading in Zephaniah we find that coem the Kingdom God will return apure tongue (language) to all peple so they may call upon Him with one accord, one name that is.
So many have mystified the name Yahweh that they have no inclination as to its true meaing preferring to beholier-than-I never to utter this title but say or print YHVH instad.
His titles are too important not to shout to the world while given the understanding of each…..
God has been traced back as far as Sanskrit, but that is not its origin according to linquists, rather where the trace comes to a standstill.
hWhy are so many so fearful of learning these simple truths? Praise God---Yahweh---YHVH......
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This cannot be dignifies.……..It is writtenman is createdinthe image of God……… Do you suppose our Fadther needed humanoids or whatever to help Him create man? How could there have been "humanoids" before there were humans? i SUPPOSE IT FITS IN A SCIFI SCENARIO, BUT IT HAS NO PLACE UTILIZED WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF FAITH.
sOMETIMES my caps get stuck and I do not realize it due to being vision impaired. Faith in Jesus Christ does not require reaqdingoutside of His Word.
The concept of "humanids" might BE ATTRIBUTED to Isaac Asimov but never to the Word.
It is the same as looking for young birds in an old nest……..not there.
Forget everything you’ve been taught. If you just read what the words say in Genesis, it translates more to sci-fi. Beings from the heavens create another being that looks like them to do work in their garden. We are doing the same thing today, making robots in our image trying to give them AI and hope they listen to us.
Since the NT teaches that God is a Spirit then Elohim (which is plural for God) would be the Spirits said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. So being made in the image of God has nothing to with our flesh, but rather the spirit which animates the flesh.
And after their likeness is the reason man has the ability to speak in tongues, or rather communicate with language (spoken word). While all living creatures of flesh have a spirit, man (male and female) is the only creature of flesh which spirit was made after the likeness of Elohim (Spirits) and that is with a spirit that has the ability to communicate their thoughts with words.
While the carnal mind is at enmity to principles, thus they are not subject to law of truth, neither indeed can they be since they don't even know what principles are seeing that they have left the doctrine of Christ. In such, they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth because without faith then seeing they will see yet not perceive and by hearing they will hear and not understand.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1
Since all living creatures of flesh which breath have a spirit, then obviously the spirit is born of the male and female gametes which produce the zygote seeing that it develops into the breathing flesh, or spirit. Only those who are born of the rubberband Man have soul, you never know what you will see when the band breaks....
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
1 Cor 2:13
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And after their likeness is the reason man has the ability to speak in tongues, or rather communicate with language (spoken word). While all living creatures of flesh have a spirit, man (male and female) is the only creature of flesh which spirit was made after the likeness of Elohim (Spirits) and that is with a spirit that has the ability to communicate their thoughts with words.
While the carnal mind is at enmity to principles, thus they are not subject to law of truth, neither indeed can they be since they don't even know what principles are seeing that they have left the doctrine of Christ. In such, they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth because without faith then seeing they will see yet not perceive and by hearing they will hear and not understand.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1
Since all living creatures of flesh which breath have a spirit, then obviously the spirit is born of the male and female gametes which produce the zygote seeing that it develops into the breathing flesh, or spirit. Only those who are born of the rubberband Man have soul, you never know what you will see when the band breaks....
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
1 Cor 2:13
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You made almost all of that up. “In our image, and after our likeness” infers physicality. You are twisting scripture to suit your theology rather than reading what it states. Even if Jehovah is non-physical it doesn’t mean elohim are. Elohim literally refers to beings from heaven, or gods. If aliens came down from the heavens and landed on earth, they would be defined as elohim. Sometimes it means God of gods. You have to read the context to figure where it is used for what. When scripture states Lord God, that is translated from Jehovah Elohim, meaning Self Existing God of gods. So...what gods is He God of? Maybe physical ones....humanoid?
When God created man in His image He was referring to Adam. Eve was in the image of Adam . . . and so too all the generations of man that were born thereafter.
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (II Corinthians 4:3-4).
Now the Word of God is the image of God.
"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (II Corinthians 4:3-4).
Now the Word of God is the image of God.
What does that mean to you? That’s all cliche. You say the Word of God is the image of God but that isn’t what it’s translated to be. You are bridging that in the beginning was the logos, translated “word”. Then the logos was with theos, translated God, and was theos. This is where most people stop reading and some think Christ is the Father and the Spirit. Theos means a divinity (god) or divine, aka heavenly. These ideas all stem from the thought that there is only one God, they must all be Him. We are to worship one God, Jehovah and serve Him alone.
My point is that many of us are so well versed in Christian vernacular, we recite it without pondering what it means and how it was used. There are many things that I find perplexing in scripture that are incongruent with what is taught at church. When I read scripture and analyze what it says, a very definitive picture emerges and it’s not one found in a renaissance painting.
My point is that many of us are so well versed in Christian vernacular, we recite it without pondering what it means and how it was used. There are many things that I find perplexing in scripture that are incongruent with what is taught at church. When I read scripture and analyze what it says, a very definitive picture emerges and it’s not one found in a renaissance painting.