No Eternal Security = No Salvation?

Yeah. That's not what judging is. Judging would be if I said" those who don't believe in eternal security are lost, wouldn't you agree?"

For the 3rd time now, I DON'T KNOW the answer. That's why I wanted to hear others opinion on it.

Jesus tells us we are secure in Him...Those who do not have security in Chris are lukewarm , I heard once that the devil owns the fence , Jesus will spit them out from His mouth ...How can someone be saved by Gods grace and not believe they are saved for eternal , I just do not get it...xox...

That you don't know the answer to the question shows ignorance of what Scripture says about salvation:

Salvation is by the grace of God through faith in His Son Jesus Christ (believing in His death/blood and in His resurrection).

Salvation is not by believing in OSAS or by not believing in OSAS.

Are there people who claim Christianity and say they do not believe in OSAS who are going to hell? Of course
Are there people who claim Christianity and say they do believe in OSAS who are going to hell? Of course

But the reason they are going to hell is not because of belief in a doctrine but because of not believing in Jesus Christ.

I trust in Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection for my salvation and now because I do not believe in the doctrine of "eternal security" I am told on this forum that I do not trust in the blood, that I lack faith in God, and that Jesus will spit me out of His mouth.

Nevertheless I know who I have believed and I am persuaded that He is able and will keep me safe and secure because of the blood sacrifice of His Son. I believe! I believe! And because of Jesus Christ I am secure in Him!

C...,

You almost captured the point completely...except;
You did not give G-d His authority to judge us to be saved with eternal salvation. We can say we are saved, we have eternal salvation, etc., but it won't happen until G-d says I am saved ...upon His judgement.

This is a sincere question to mostly those who already believe they are eternally secure (OSAS), and cannot lose their Salvation because Jesus is the One who gave it to them and keeps it secure.

I know there are umpteen OSAS threads, and that can certainly and most likely will be discussed here as EVERY thread eventually boils down to that.

But what I'm asking is are those that don't believe in eternal security saved? I honestly don't know, but would like to hear your thoughts on this issue. At one time I thought you COULD lose your Salvation. I knew who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He has done (die to pay for our sin and resurrected to life after 3 days) but also thought that I could lose that Salvation for "willing sin" or disobedience in not totally following Him.

Others here believe they could lose their Salvation for additional reasons. So my question is does thinking you can lose your Salvation equate to NOT being saved?

May God Bless you all!

Do not confuse justification and positional sanctification with ongoing sanctification in our daily lives......any salvation you may possess is not based upon your performance, but rather on Christ and his work, power, promises and faith!

There is ONLY one day that will determine who is Saved and who is NOT Saved, and that is the Day of the Lord, when He Returns to the Earth to set up His Kingdom, and become King of Kings of the Earth.

Know you not that it is written, He that endures to the end shall be Saved? Know you not that the Apostle Paul wrote, that he is in a race, not that he has finished it yet?

i feel in my heart that i am SAVED today, does that mean i can't be blotted out of the Book of Life? NO! i believe with all my heart that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died, and rose again, paid the penalties for my sins, and has forgiven me. Tomorrow i may decide to deny Jesus. i believe in Jesus today, but tomorrow i may hate someone, tomorrow i may not forgive someone EVER, two things that Scriptures teach will prevent me from going to Heaven. If i do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will i be forgiven of mine, is that not written? So today i am Saved, but i will have to endure to the end, in order to be SAVED, if i fail to endure to the end, then my name will have been blotted out of the book of Life, on that day when the Books are opened and whosoever name is written in the Book of Life, ON THAT DAY, shall be SAVED, whether they be dead in the graves, or alive on the Earth.

So this generation can make themselves FEEL better about themselves if they want to, by claiming they are already SAVED and nothing they can do will ever change that, (much weeping and gnashing from these same folks, so sad) But here is the TRUTH and Scriptures backs it up. There is ONLY ONE DAY that is Judgement Day, that will determine who is and who is not SAVED. That DAY is NOT today.

You may be walking in the light today, but walking in darkness next week.

Eph_5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph_5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1Jn_1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jn_2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1Jn_2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1Jn_1:7 But if (Conditional) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. . .. . . . .

When does His Blood cleanse us from All sin? When we walk in the Light and NOT in darkness. Woe to them who claim to be walking in the light, but walk in darkness, thinking that His Blood still cleanseth them. This generation needs to wake up from their sleeping, give up your life, start living a life for Jesus Christ and not for your own selves. Your Lord and Savior gave up His life for you, should you not be willing to give up that sin for Him? Give up that darkness for Him? Start walking in the light, and not that darkness that you do?^i^††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ ††† DiscipleDave

D...,

We can repent, be baptized and live a righteous life, that is ...born again.....at judgement G-d determines who is saved.

R...,

Hi...thanks for the question.
It has to do with the most high respect and reverence for G-d.
Best explained here;


"Why do we leave out the "o" G-d?

A Note About the Spelling of G-d's Name

Why do we leave out the "o" when referring to G-d? According to Hebrew tradition we do not write out the Creator's name in any language, unless as part of a printed book which we know will be preserved with dignity and treated as holy. Refraining from writing out His name is a sign of reverence and awe for the Creator. If this name were to be written out and then, the paper on which it was written would become lost or destroyed, or even if it was brought into an unclean place, this would be showing disrespect and it would be a desecration of His name."

Hope this helps.

Yes it is you, The fact you think you can meet some requirement shows you do not understand the gospel.
So I will just wish you good luck good luck trying to work to earn your salvation. Me? I will continue t trust in the blood of christ.

If God only determines who is saved when we pass to the other side, how come the scriptures say we "have" present eternal life? And are "saved" ?

If God only determines who is saved... /QUOTE]


H....,

Please get me past this first...pray tell who else would possess such authority?

I am not condemning you, as you say you believe and have accepted Christ as your High Priest and Kinsmen Redeemer! And, I believe that you have!

What I am not buying is your not believing that which is clearly stated in the Bible concerning those whom God has MADE to believe a lie!

Which gives me cause in considering that in your mind and belief NO ONE has been given over to strong delusion!

And EVERYONE who DOESN'T believe as YOU do, are either A) Deluded themselves, or B) Going around preaching a FALSE Gospel!

This is not a healthy way of furthering ones' own Spiritual Integrity, or "Sanctification!"

Not saying ANYWISE, EG, you are not saved!

But, I do say, you are placing UNDUE BURDENS upon those who "hear a call", that is (how can I say), "higher", then what you "hear!"

As if you are saying that "What I believe?"...."Is WELL ENOUGH!" And, indeed! That which you believe may well be what is good enough!....For YOU!....And, those "like" you.

The "truth" of the matter is one may not go UNTO the Father, but by "way" of the Sheeps Gate!
Another "truth!" One does NOT proceed UNTO the Father, without FIRST "picking up ones' own cross!" For this is the "where" the "furthering of Spiritual Integrity, or sanctification of the Spirit" is done!

What I see, is you going unto the Father, IN Christ, unto which you were forgiven, and sins remitted, and then beating your head against a wall, til you are senseless! And, then proclaiming that is as far as EVERYONE needs go! Never "daring" in proceeding onwards, to the Father, and places where God's Grace is not as abundant!
Let me ask you this, if I may. Just WHERE do you think one goes back to, when God tempts one, anyways? When, after all God Said He would NEVER tempt one MORE then they could endure, or leave them NO way out!

d...,
I am not sure you mean to say what you have said here;
Christ is not charged with ....maintaining our righteous status......we are.... and we do that by following G-d's commandments.