Sabbath

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

drinking blood was part of the worship of false gods, probably still is somewhere. but so was drinking alcohol and having sex. do you refuse to do those as well?

"As redeemed man, the only blood we are to consume is the resurrected blood of Christ's (by dwelling in him and he in us)."

where is this commandment given? I thought the saying that we are what we eat was folk wisdom. is it in the scriptures as well?

if you get a blood transfusion, is it now that someone else is living inside of you, in your veins, along with you? or is that blood actually just a collection of chemicals?

Amen to guarding and keeping God's Commandments!

Now there's not a person on this forum who guards and keeps all of God's Commandments, because there's many that simply can't be done today because there is no Temple or tent of meeting.

We also see from the apostles sent by Jesus who wrote after his resurrection that loving your neighbor as yourself fulfills all the Commandments and the bearing of one another's burdens fulfills the law of Christ.

So clearly, to me, those are the Commandments that we are to Garden keep.

I believe you brought up the idea of following Jesus' instructions here in post 824
"If a person does more than just "Hear" His Word's, and takes a leap of Faith and "does" what He instructs, as opposed to find excuses NOT to "do" what He says, then He has promised to "manifest" Him self to this person."

now you say
"Did the Messiah come down and personally tell you to go fishing? Or was the Messiah speaking to Peter and you took it on yourself to include yourself in the instruction?"
that was my point all along. Some instructions that Jesus gives are for all of us, some are only for certain people or a certain person.

So you can't simply take something that he tells the Rich Young Ruler, for example, and say that it applies to all people.

drinking blood was part of the worship of false gods, probably still is somewhere. but so was drinking alcohol and having sex. do you refuse to do those as well?

"As redeemed man, the only blood we are to consume is the resurrected blood of Christ's (by dwelling in him and he in us)."

where is this commandment given? I thought the saying that we are what we eat was folk wisdom. is it in the scriptures as well?

if you get a blood transfusion, is it now that someone else is living inside of you, in your veins, along with you? or is that blood actually just a collection of chemicals?

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Lots of interesting points there!

Yes, I do say that Jesus response to the Rich Young Ruler is not intended for all people at all times, but only for those who ask God what it is they need to do, that is by their own actions their own powers, in order to get eternal life.

We often hear the question that the man asks as Lord how can I get eternal life. But that's not quite what he asks. He wants to know what he can do.

I think a much better question to ask is Lord please give me eternal life!

Absolutely true that we should do as the Christ instructs! That's been my point all along!

Lots of interesting points there!

Yes, I do say that Jesus response to the Rich Young Ruler is not intended for all people at all times, but only for those who ask God what it is they need to do, that is by their own actions their own powers, in order to get eternal life.

We often hear the question that the man asks as Lord how can I get eternal life. But that's not quite what he asks. He wants to know what he can do.

I think a much better question to ask is Lord please give me eternal life!

Mark 2:27
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

Amen to guarding and keeping God's Commandments!

Now there's not a person on this forum who guards and keeps all of God's Commandments, because there's many that simply can't be done today because there is no Temple or tent of meeting.

We also see from the apostles sent by Jesus who wrote after his resurrection that loving your neighbor as yourself fulfills all the Commandments and the bearing of one another's burdens fulfills the law of Christ.

So clearly, to me, those are the Commandments that we are to Garden keep.

if we are become slaves to the observance of a day, then are we made for it or is it made for us?

if we are become slaves to the observance of a day, then are we made for it or is it made for us?

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

SO is not stealing "slaves to observance of a Law"?

Or is doing His will being a slave to the Most High?

The Sabbath is a time to connect with YHWH and put aside things of the world... Leave it to man to spin that as bad.

True, but you also shouldn't take this truth and use it as an excuse do deny or teach others to deny or reject what He has told "all" people either.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So are you preaching this part of the Christ's teaching is only for this one person and not for you?


Mark. 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

You ignored the part of my post which suggested if we are going to preach to others, we should know which "sayings" of the Christ is directed for all mankind, and which were Word's to a particular person.

For instance the Spirit of Christ inspired the following:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean.

Wouldn't we need to "Prove" through study if this command was meant for "all mankind, and that before we could be clean we must all charter a flight to this region and wash in this river? This is why this same Christ also inspired:

2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

and again:

2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

and again;

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this worldWould this also include religions of this world?) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So when a man does as the Christ instructs, as I believe we should, then he will find that the Christ didn't command all men everywhere to go fishing, or to fly to some certain place and wash ourselves in a certain river.

But the Christ, the Word of God, did create instructions for all, and it is our duty, as the scriptures above clearly indicate, to "Prove", through these same Scriptures, what is that perfect Will of God. AS for the Sabbath, the root of this entire conversation:

Is. 54:
1 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Is this not for all mankind?

3 Neither let the son of the stranger,(Gentile) that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

And again:

Mark. 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Did He not say the following as the Word of God to all people?

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And again, are these Word's for all people?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

And again:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.