Rev 6:1&2 The white horseman,

I personally think that the women riding the beast is the RCC and the beast is all the false religions of the world
that present themselves under the banner of Christianity. "wolf in sheep's clothing" these are all spin offs of the RCC
hence the label "MOTHER OF HARLOTS'
So if we can see this then the deadly wound that is healed is very easy to see!

Ok I can see you have given this a lot of thought and you know your history but just play along with me here for a minuet. after reading Revelation about a hundred times in the last 6 months things are starting to look different to me and instead of thinking that this is complicated stuff I am starting to think that it is embarrassingly simple.
Consider this, Revelation 2&3 looks like a great big red flashing warning sign!
about 30% rebuke 40% warning 10% attaboy with some greeting and promise thrown in.
7 times while addressing the church he use the phrase "to he that overcometh"
He that overcometh what? it's obvious that Satan has been playing church! (2 Cor 11:14)
and seven times he uses the phrase "he that hath an ear let him here"
now when I see this in scripture I am thinking there is more here than meets the eye.
So here is the simple part,
Notice in chapter 3:1 he tells the church in Sardis "thou livest, and art dead"
If you believe in a pre tribulation rapture as I do then consider this,
If the Lord is gong to descend with a shout (1 Thes 4:16) the rapture
and if the Lord has a sharp twoedged sword coming out of his mouth (Rev 1:16)
He will deliver a deadly blow to the church (head of the beast) by removing the saved.
the world will then enter the "hour of temptation" Rev 3:10v (the first half of the tribulation) when many will repent and be saved bringing life back to the church. Deadly wound healed. So simple!
people don't fight with swords anymore and suffering a physical deadly blow to the head with a sword and coming back to life just doesn't make much sense especially since we both agree the 6th head of the beast out of the sea is not a man

PK,

So what is the 2 edged sword that is from Jesus' mouth? Is it a literal sword? What is it? How is it used? What happens when it is used?

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The 4 horsemen are spirits that come against Israel from 37 AD until 70 AD.

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I see it as not being a literal thing, Ephesians 6:17 says, "The sword of the spirit is the word of God"

I see it as not being a literal thing, Ephesians 6:17 says, "The sword of the spirit is the word of God"

Does anyone know why the church has been telling me for years that the white horseman is the anti-Christ?
It just doesn't look like it to me!

Chapter 17 v10 says there are 7 kings, 5 have fallen, one is and one is yet to come.
Now if "one is" he has been around for some period of time? sounds more like a system than a man.
I would definitely agree the system is anti Christ!

I would definitely agree the system is anti Christ!

Ok I can see you have given this a lot of thought and you know your history but just play along with me here for a minuet. after reading Revelation about a hundred times in the last 6 months things are starting to look different to me and instead of thinking that this is complicated stuff I am starting to think that it is embarrassingly simple.
Consider this, Revelation 2&3 looks like a great big red flashing warning sign!
about 30% rebuke 40% warning 10% attaboy with some greeting and promise thrown in.
7 times while addressing the church he use the phrase "to he that overcometh"
He that overcometh what? it's obvious that Satan has been playing church! (2 Cor 11:14)
and seven times he uses the phrase "he that hath an ear let him here"
now when I see this in scripture I am thinking there is more here than meets the eye.
So here is the simple part,
Notice in chapter 3:1 he tells the church in Sardis "thou livest, and art dead"
If you believe in a pre tribulation rapture as I do then consider this,
If the Lord is gong to descend with a shout (1 Thes 4:16) the rapture
and if the Lord has a sharp twoedged sword coming out of his mouth (Rev 1:16)

He will deliver a deadly blow to the church (head of the beast) by removing the saved.
the world will then enter the "hour of temptation" Rev 3:10v (the first half of the tribulation) when many will repent and be saved bringing life back to the church. Deadly wound healed. So simple!
people don't fight with swords anymore and suffering a physical deadly blow to the head with a sword and coming back to life just doesn't make much sense especially since we both agree the 6th head of the beast out of the sea is not a man

People continue to promote this idea that the Antichrist is NOT a man but a system. While the system over which he rules is against Christ and Christians (thus anti-Christ) the man -- who is CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS THE BEAST -- is the Antichrist.

A system cannot be cast into the Lake of Fire and suffer eternal torment. But a person can certainly be cast into the Lake of Fire as we see here:

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone... And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 19:20; 20:10).

Truly truly i tell you, the antichrist is already here and for a long time now, the white horse man has been around for the last 2000 years and many are lost in the lies. For those waiting for a literal man will continue guessing until the end of age.

The war is between Truth and lies, Truth will be caught up into the new heavens and the earth and shall remain forever, everything else shall continue descending in a bottomless pit and be forgotten forever.

FANCIFUL INTERPRETATIONS WON'T GET YOU ANYWHERE EITHER.

Does anyone know why the church has been telling me for years that the white horseman is the anti-Christ?
It just doesn't look like it to me!

This is probably because the official church serves this world, not God. There, in Revelation it is clearly written that the Lord will sit on this white horse:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (19:11)

This "horse" itself is Ezekiel's Temple, the very idea of this Temple is a "white horse":

Because this Temple is a sign to gather "the elect from the four winds." Because when the elect enter the Temple through the Eastern Gate, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will take place, the Lord God will appear on the earth.

Greetings Aryeh,

The white horse of the 1st seal is representing the revealing of the antichrist, who is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11 which is the Lord.

Super, keep that in mind when you see that symbolic gospel sword shown as coming out of His mouth, that it is symbolic of the gospel kingdom for salvation.

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In contrast, the 1st rider uses a bow. This bow is symbolic also. What kind of symbolic arrows does it shoot?

Ezek 5:1-17, 16, These are evil arrows of famine. But as the arrows are showing an enemy and are not literal arrows, so the famine is not literal famine necessarily, but a famine for the bread of God's Word, the scriptures and a relationship with God.

The people of Israel hold the scriptures. The Word of God (Holy Spirit waters, bread of life) flows out to the world through Israel. The scriptures (OT) are a witness of Jesus and salvation. When Israel is not allowed to access the scriptures, the flow of God's saving Word to the world is disrupted. So the famine is primarily aimed at Israel but the whole world suffers because of it.

The context of Ezek 5 is the 70 ad destruction of Jerusalem v 5.

Notice the similarity between the 4 horsemen and vs. 16 - 17.

The number 4 is symbolic of the earth, north, south, east, and west. So when you see this number again remember that.

In the case of the "4" horsemen, they are spirits that attack Israel from the whole earth, every direction. 37 AD thru 70 AD.

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Hello again,

It's not that I have put a lot of thought into it, though I have, but it is because I live in the book of Revelation and have been studying end-time events for over 40 years. Therefore, I have gone over every scenario regarding Revelation and all related scriptures.

Revelation 1:19 divides the book of Revelation into three parts, as John was told to write the following:

What you have seen = Everything from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the seven churches, which also stands for the entire church period

What must take place later = The events that will take place after the "what is now" i.e. after the church period

In Rev.4:1, John then hears a voice that sounds like a trumpet saying "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this," which is synonymous with the "what must take place later" as stated above. Revelation 4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the church being caught up to heaven in fulfillment of the Lord's promise in John 14:1-3 and I Thes.4:13-17. This is the reason why we don't see the word "Ekklesia" translated "church" after the end of chapter 3 and during the time of the narrative of God's wrath.

After using the word "church" 19 times within chapters 1 thru 3, The word then disappears from the narrative and is not seen again until Rev.22:16, which is outside of the narrative and during the epilog. After the church is gone, the word "Hagios" translated "saints" is only used thereafter. The saints referred to are the great tribulation saints who are introduced in Rev.7:9-17. These are those who will have been unbelievers, but will become believers after the church has been removed and during the time of God's wrath.

The church is referred to again as the bride in Rev.19:6-8, where she is seen in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb and receiving her fine linen, white and clean and where in Rev.19:14 she is seen as that army following Christ out of heaven and wearing her same fine linen that she will have previously received.



The deadly or fatal blow is to one of the heads of the beast, which is referring to that beast who once was, now is not and will come up out of the Abyss who is that eighth king and belongs to the seven. That fatal blow, along with the miracles, signs and wonders that the false prophet will be performing on his behalf, will be to give the beast credibility, to authenticate his claim of being God or anything that is called God. The church is gone at 4:1-2 and is therefore not on the earth during the time of the beast.

By the way, regarding the "hour of trial" for those who overcome, Jesus promised that He would keep us out of that hour of trial, which is another designation referring to the time of God's wrath. There again, true believers will not be here, for we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and because Jesus already suffered it on behalf of every believer.