Not By Works

The Sabbath is not a commandment of Christ.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days Colossians 2:16

We are under the moral laws, but not under the Sabbath.

Paul is the most misused writer in the Bible, so much so that it was even a problem is Kepha/Peter's day that he had to write a letter saying anyone who read Paul and thought they could be without the Law of YHWH were "twisting their own destruction":

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”

I personally see this very much today, I think this is why most poeple ignore Yahshua almost entirely and ONLY quote and read Paul.

You just embellished the word of God.........no honor or honesty....the bolded is your addition and had nothing to do with the quote by Peter....

YHWH is salvation, none are saved by their works that does not mean we reject His Instructions...

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

you add "perfectly" none are perfect, and the only choices are not perfect or lawless....

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

Believers are not sinless, absolutely perfect, “in of themselves” and believers are not lawless either. Believers find their righteousness in Christ (Romans 4:4-6; Philippians 3:9).

Since we are not under the Law of Moses, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. The old covenant has been made obsolete to "put legally into place" the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

More exhaustive list:

Matthew 2:2; 2:8; 2:11; 4:9; 4:10; 14:33; 15:9; 28:9; 28:17, Mark 7:7, Luke 4:7; 4:8; 24:52, John 4:20,21,22,23,24; 9:38; 12:20, Acts 7:43; 8:27; 16:14; 17:23; 18:7; 18:13; 19:27; 24:11, Romans 1:25; 12:1, 1 Corinthians 14:25, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:18, Hebrews 1:6; 9:1; 9:6; 10:2; 11:21, Revelation 4:10; 5:14; 7:11; 9:20; 11:1; 11:16; 14:7; 15:4; 19:4; 19:10; 22:8; 22:9

Acts 15:20,29, Romans 1:25, 1 Corinthians 6:9; Chapter 8; 10:7,14; 12:2, 2 Corinthians 6:16, 1 Thessalonians 1:9, Galatians 5:20, Ephesians 5:5, Colossians 3:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Revelation 2:14, 20; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15

Matthew 12:36, Ephesians 5:4, Romans 2:24, Revelation 16:9

Matthew 15:5, Matthew 19:19, Mark 7:10; 10:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2

Matthew 5:21; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29; 13:9, James 2:11

Matthew 5:27,28,32; 19:9,18, Mark 10:11,19, Luke 16:18; 18:20, Romans 13:9, James 2:11, 2 Peter 2:14

Matthew 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 2:21; 13:9, Ephesians 4:28

Matthew 15:9; 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20

Mark 7:22, Luke 12:15, Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9, Ephesians 5:3, Colossians 3:5, Hebrews 13:5, 2 Peter 2:14

I agree that “in Christ,” filled with and led by His Spirit, there is no sin that must have dominion over us. As He strengthens by His grace, we are able to break with sinful habits and even overcome deeply rooted patterns of thinking.....but not sinless.
In any given second your mind or heart can think something sinful. Now you could join a cloister, take a vow of silence, away from all people that might improve your success rate. No one can love perfectly.

For someone to claim they are sinless is a lie and therefore a sin.

Only a hypocrite would profess to be perfect in the flesh......the greatest believers in the Bible never boasted of being perfect in the flesh - Phil 3:12-14

The flesh is the flesh and it is with us until our last breath.

Calvin wrote in his “Institutes,” “We maintain, therefore, that sin always exists in the saints, till they are divested of the mortal body...”

The Most High puts HIS LAW in our heart:

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Sabbath was created by the Word which became Flesh.

Matt. 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

He made the Sabbath for man.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:

And I agree with col. 2. Jesus didn't let any MAN judge Him in His Voluntary obedience to the Instructions of His Father. Paul didn't either.

1 Cor. 5:
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So given that these Sabbaths are the Christ's.

Lev. 23:
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4 These are the feasts of the LORD, (Word which became flesh)even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

They are not Rudiments of the World, or Traditions of men, rather, they are "shadows of things to come" we are not to let any man judge us in these matters. They are of the Body of Christ, not religious traditions of man like Christmas, and the image of God religious man created in the likeness of the long haired men's hair shampoo model known world wide as the "Christian God".

No, I don't believe in the very popular preaching that col. 2 destroys the rest of the Bible. I Trust the Christ when He said "Man shall live by every Word of God".

Hi UnderGrace, Hypocrite or laughable are appropriate words for someone who considers themself perfect because there is no human being who is perfect, except Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Therefore the human race needs a Perfect Savior, "who knew no sin." who would pay the price for our sin, praise God.

The Apostle Paul writes that he has a "sin nature", that, "it is sin living in me." Paul knew just how sinful sin really is. And God's law revealed to him the sin of coveting, and then produced in him every kind of coveting.

Can we chose not to sin, yes. Can we break the chains of sin that so easily beset us. absolutely yes, we are more than conquerors. Romans8:37

Sinless Perfectionist are living a lie, and they do not realize the sinfulness of sin, repent and believe the Good News, Jesus died for our sins.

Romans7:16-20
16) And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17) As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18) For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19) For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but
"it is sin living in me" that does it.

Romans5:12
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"

Romans7:25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Psalm51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Just for info purposes....the word translated hypocrite comes from two Greek words and means opinionated one.......

And this law being?
What's your thoughts?

Hebrews 10:16-18 (NKJV)

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

What's your thoughts on V 17-18?

V16 above quotes laws, yet the Bible verse you quote says 'Law'

Why is that different from the verse in the NKJV?

Wow ..very interesting, thanks!!

Enjoyed my sinless perfection this morning with 2 cups of Natural Bliss iced coffee, a new brand recommended to me by Mailmandan... lol

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Amen.

In one point however I disagree brother. We can live sinless, but it does not work by following the law. We are to walk in the spirit and we shall not fullfill the lusts of the flesh

Being "under the Law of Moses" in the context it was used, means being dead. A dead man can not serve anyone. But Jesus "freed" me from this "Death" so I am free to SERVE again, as it is written.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

I did things which caused my death as do all men.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, (Alive) and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in my sins with no hope)

This time I understand that "MY WORKS" will lead to nothing but my death. So I am to repent of serving my own mind, and "turn to God" and Serve Him. Those who do this are granted "Repentance" as it is written.

I also know there are voices who would turn me away from the God of the Bible to serve religions of man. Jesus, as the Word, in His tender mercy, gave me the perfect example of how the perfect deceiver will do this. All I need to do is believe in Him.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

The deceiver will use Part's of God's Word to deceive us as the Word which became Flesh show us here. Very cleaver tactic, but it has perfected this deception to a tee.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:


The next thing the perfect deceiver does, who uses God's Word to deceive, is to convince folks they are already saved. Already immortal. This is important to SEE in this example Jesus, as the Word, had written for us.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (in the day you reject God's instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Then the serpent goes in for the kill. It convinces folks that God is not interested in our well being. That God's Laws are against us and that we are already gods in our mind and therefore OUR VISION is righteous while God's instructions are burdensome, a Yoke we can't bear, and are against us. And it uses parts of God's Word to do this.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.

But that wasn't all. She not only was deceived herself of these things, but she also convinced others around her of this very same deception.

"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

So I don't believe in the implications of the religious doctrines of many who claim God created Law so Grievous, so burdensome, so many in number that it is impossible for mankind to follow them, then, at the same time murdered men who didn't follow them. The implication that man is simply an innocent victim of an unjust God with unjust Laws is a popular doctrine but false just the same.

Then they preach a Messiah, named Jesus, had to come and "Free" us from the unjust Wrath of this unjust God, and "remove" His unjust instructions, including the impossible to honor 4th Commandment.

They don't tell us that it is our "DEATH" that Jesus freed us from, our deserved death. And they don't tell us that God's Laws are "good" "Just" and "Holy". They don't tell us it was the Temporary Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced. It is written in the Bible for folks all to see, just like Eve knew God's instructions in her heart and rejected them anyway.

So why do men allow this to happen to them? Jesus also tells us the answer to this question.

Jer. 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Only God can reveal this truth about ourselves.)
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

And again.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

So like Paul, I believe "ALL THINGS" written in the Law and Prophets. Since I believe in Him and His Word's I understand that I can not listen to any other "voices" even if they claim to be from God, and in some cases, because they claim to be from God.

Duet. 8:
1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

And He said this again just so it would stick in my human mind.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

I am posting this for you JPT in the hopes that you might consider that maybe the Bible is truth, and religious man with all their doctrines and images of God and religious traditions are not.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

Is. 65:
6 Also the sons of the stranger, (The gentile) that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

In His Love.

SM

Just for info purposes....the word translated hypocrite comes from two Greek words and means opinionated one.......

Just for info purposes....the word translated hypocrite comes from two Greek words and means opinionated one.......

The Greek word itself is a compound noun: it's made up of two Greek words that literally translate as “an interpreter from underneath.”

Good info decon, from my dictionary the two Greek words are; "Two Faced" or try, "un-trustworthy".....

It carries the idea of an answer, or opinionated response....and within that guise is a fake or fraud......

Notice how the Pharisees always came back with their view, opinion, answer which also aligned with their fraudulent stance for God....

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 3:31