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You didn't answer my question. And how can you serve a God and reject the things He says to do?
Luke 46:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Think about your statement here. "We serve God not His Instructions"?
And what Law led to Christ? Thou shall not steal? Thou shall not kill? Even Gentiles who didn't even know God followed these laws for centuries. It never led them to Christ.
But the Levitical Priesthood and it's prescribed "works of the Law" for remission of sins did. They were given to a Specific Tribe (Levi) for a specific purpose, to fore shadow the Perfect High Priest, and His Perfect cleansing work. But men corrupted the Priesthood, and worshipped it more that the creator that created it. They lost sight of it's true meaning.
Romans 3:
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
It was this "Law" that was to lead them to the Christ. It was this Law Abraham didn't have. It was this Law that was changed.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) (Received what Law?)what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus became our High Priest, but He was from Judah, not Levi as the "LAW" commanded. So the Law was changed to allow one from another tribe to enter the Holy of Holies. It's in your Bible.
Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests which taught for Doctrines the Commandments of Men, and not God) )he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
No more Levitical Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Remember, the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were being led by a spirit as well. They believed it was the spirit of God. But Jesus revealed that it was not His Spirit that led them to reject God's Commandments and create their own.
It was the Levitical Priesthood "works" that was to lead them to Christ, and this was changed when Jesus came. Not His 10 Commandments or "law of Faith".
Luke 46:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Think about your statement here. "We serve God not His Instructions"?
And what Law led to Christ? Thou shall not steal? Thou shall not kill? Even Gentiles who didn't even know God followed these laws for centuries. It never led them to Christ.
But the Levitical Priesthood and it's prescribed "works of the Law" for remission of sins did. They were given to a Specific Tribe (Levi) for a specific purpose, to fore shadow the Perfect High Priest, and His Perfect cleansing work. But men corrupted the Priesthood, and worshipped it more that the creator that created it. They lost sight of it's true meaning.
Romans 3:
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
It was this "Law" that was to lead them to the Christ. It was this Law Abraham didn't have. It was this Law that was changed.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) (Received what Law?)what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus became our High Priest, but He was from Judah, not Levi as the "LAW" commanded. So the Law was changed to allow one from another tribe to enter the Holy of Holies. It's in your Bible.
Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests which taught for Doctrines the Commandments of Men, and not God) )he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
No more Levitical Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.
Remember, the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were being led by a spirit as well. They believed it was the spirit of God. But Jesus revealed that it was not His Spirit that led them to reject God's Commandments and create their own.
It was the Levitical Priesthood "works" that was to lead them to Christ, and this was changed when Jesus came. Not His 10 Commandments or "law of Faith".
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The bad mixture of law and grace results in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." I will give you a prime example of this bad mixture of law and grace by quoting a post from a former member of CC below:
Can you guess which former member of CC made that erroneous statement?
There is a difference between guarding the Commands of God in the NT and perfectly obeying the 10 Commandments in the OT.
Can you guess which former member of CC made that erroneous statement?
There is a difference between guarding the Commands of God in the NT and perfectly obeying the 10 Commandments in the OT.
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John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The Sabbath was created by the Word which became Flesh.
Matt. 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
He made the Sabbath for man.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
And I agree with col. 2. Jesus didn't let any MAN judge Him in His Voluntary obedience to the Instructions of His Father. Paul didn't either.
1 Cor. 5:
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
So given that these Sabbaths are the Christ's.
Lev. 23:
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, (Word which became flesh)even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
They are not Rudiments of the World, or Traditions of men, rather, they are "shadows of things to come" we are not to let any man judge us in these matters. They are of the Body of Christ, not religious traditions of man like Christmas, and the image of God religious man created in the likeness of the long haired men's hair shampoo model known world wide as the "Christian God".
No, I don't believe in the very popular preaching that col. 2 destroys the rest of the Bible. I Trust the Christ when He said "Man shall live by every Word of God".
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
The Sabbath was created by the Word which became Flesh.
Matt. 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
He made the Sabbath for man.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
And I agree with col. 2. Jesus didn't let any MAN judge Him in His Voluntary obedience to the Instructions of His Father. Paul didn't either.
1 Cor. 5:
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
So given that these Sabbaths are the Christ's.
Lev. 23:
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, (Word which became flesh)even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
They are not Rudiments of the World, or Traditions of men, rather, they are "shadows of things to come" we are not to let any man judge us in these matters. They are of the Body of Christ, not religious traditions of man like Christmas, and the image of God religious man created in the likeness of the long haired men's hair shampoo model known world wide as the "Christian God".
No, I don't believe in the very popular preaching that col. 2 destroys the rest of the Bible. I Trust the Christ when He said "Man shall live by every Word of God".
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Is this the word of the Lord?
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15
This is part of the Sabbath law for those who are under the law of Moses.
JPT
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I agree that “in Christ,” filled with and led by His Spirit, there is no sin that must have dominion over us. As He strengthens by His grace, we are able to break with sinful habits and even overcome deeply rooted patterns of thinking.....but not sinless.
In any given second your mind or heart can think something sinful. Now you could join a cloister, take a vow of silence, away from all people that might improve your success rate. No one can love perfectly.
For someone to claim they are sinless is a lie and therefore a sin.
Only a hypocrite would profess to be perfect in the flesh......the greatest believers in the Bible never boasted of being perfect in the flesh - Phil 3:12-14
The flesh is the flesh and it is with us until our last breath.
Calvin wrote in his “Institutes,” “We maintain, therefore, that sin always exists in the saints, till they are divested of the mortal body...”
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Being "under the Law of Moses" in the context it was used, means being dead. A dead man can not serve anyone. But Jesus "freed" me from this "Death" so I am free to SERVE again, as it is written.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
I did things which caused my death as do all men.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, (Alive) and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in my sins with no hope)
This time I understand that "MY WORKS" will lead to nothing but my death. So I am to repent of serving my own mind, and "turn to God" and Serve Him. Those who do this are granted "Repentance" as it is written.
I also know there are voices who would turn me away from the God of the Bible to serve religions of man. Jesus, as the Word, in His tender mercy, gave me the perfect example of how the perfect deceiver will do this. All I need to do is believe in Him.
Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
The deceiver will use Part's of God's Word to deceive us as the Word which became Flesh show us here. Very cleaver tactic, but it has perfected this deception to a tee.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The next thing the perfect deceiver does, who uses God's Word to deceive, is to convince folks they are already saved. Already immortal. This is important to SEE in this example Jesus, as the Word, had written for us.
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (in the day you reject God's instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Then the serpent goes in for the kill. It convinces folks that God is not interested in our well being. That God's Laws are against us and that we are already gods in our mind and therefore OUR VISION is righteous while God's instructions are burdensome, a Yoke we can't bear, and are against us. And it uses parts of God's Word to do this.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.
But that wasn't all. She not only was deceived herself of these things, but she also convinced others around her of this very same deception.
"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
So I don't believe in the implications of the religious doctrines of many who claim God created Law so Grievous, so burdensome, so many in number that it is impossible for mankind to follow them, then, at the same time murdered men who didn't follow them. The implication that man is simply an innocent victim of an unjust God with unjust Laws is a popular doctrine but false just the same.
Then they preach a Messiah, named Jesus, had to come and "Free" us from the unjust Wrath of this unjust God, and "remove" His unjust instructions, including the impossible to honor 4th Commandment.
They don't tell us that it is our "DEATH" that Jesus freed us from, our deserved death. And they don't tell us that God's Laws are "good" "Just" and "Holy". They don't tell us it was the Temporary Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced. It is written in the Bible for folks all to see, just like Eve knew God's instructions in her heart and rejected them anyway.
So why do men allow this to happen to them? Jesus also tells us the answer to this question.
Jer. 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Only God can reveal this truth about ourselves.)
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
And again.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
So like Paul, I believe "ALL THINGS" written in the Law and Prophets. Since I believe in Him and His Word's I understand that I can not listen to any other "voices" even if they claim to be from God, and in some cases, because they claim to be from God.
Duet. 8:
1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
And He said this again just so it would stick in my human mind.
Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
I am posting this for you JPT in the hopes that you might consider that maybe the Bible is truth, and religious man with all their doctrines and images of God and religious traditions are not.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Is. 65:
6 Also the sons of the stranger, (The gentile) that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
In His Love.
SM
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
I did things which caused my death as do all men.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, (Alive) and not in the oldness of the letter. (Dead in my sins with no hope)
This time I understand that "MY WORKS" will lead to nothing but my death. So I am to repent of serving my own mind, and "turn to God" and Serve Him. Those who do this are granted "Repentance" as it is written.
I also know there are voices who would turn me away from the God of the Bible to serve religions of man. Jesus, as the Word, in His tender mercy, gave me the perfect example of how the perfect deceiver will do this. All I need to do is believe in Him.
Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
The deceiver will use Part's of God's Word to deceive us as the Word which became Flesh show us here. Very cleaver tactic, but it has perfected this deception to a tee.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The next thing the perfect deceiver does, who uses God's Word to deceive, is to convince folks they are already saved. Already immortal. This is important to SEE in this example Jesus, as the Word, had written for us.
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (in the day you reject God's instruction) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Then the serpent goes in for the kill. It convinces folks that God is not interested in our well being. That God's Laws are against us and that we are already gods in our mind and therefore OUR VISION is righteous while God's instructions are burdensome, a Yoke we can't bear, and are against us. And it uses parts of God's Word to do this.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.
But that wasn't all. She not only was deceived herself of these things, but she also convinced others around her of this very same deception.
"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
So I don't believe in the implications of the religious doctrines of many who claim God created Law so Grievous, so burdensome, so many in number that it is impossible for mankind to follow them, then, at the same time murdered men who didn't follow them. The implication that man is simply an innocent victim of an unjust God with unjust Laws is a popular doctrine but false just the same.
Then they preach a Messiah, named Jesus, had to come and "Free" us from the unjust Wrath of this unjust God, and "remove" His unjust instructions, including the impossible to honor 4th Commandment.
They don't tell us that it is our "DEATH" that Jesus freed us from, our deserved death. And they don't tell us that God's Laws are "good" "Just" and "Holy". They don't tell us it was the Temporary Priesthood and it's "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced. It is written in the Bible for folks all to see, just like Eve knew God's instructions in her heart and rejected them anyway.
So why do men allow this to happen to them? Jesus also tells us the answer to this question.
Jer. 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Only God can reveal this truth about ourselves.)
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
And again.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
So like Paul, I believe "ALL THINGS" written in the Law and Prophets. Since I believe in Him and His Word's I understand that I can not listen to any other "voices" even if they claim to be from God, and in some cases, because they claim to be from God.
Duet. 8:
1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
And He said this again just so it would stick in my human mind.
Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
I am posting this for you JPT in the hopes that you might consider that maybe the Bible is truth, and religious man with all their doctrines and images of God and religious traditions are not.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Is. 65:
6 Also the sons of the stranger, (The gentile) that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
In His Love.
SM
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And what should man be convinced of? That God's Word's are Holy, or that man's religious traditions are holy? Why would I place my Salvation of the whims of this man, or that man.
Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Should God not be the one who determines what is Holy and what is not?
Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Should God not be the one who determines what is Holy and what is not?
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There is only one Law, which must be accepted as a whole.
The Law cannot be subdivided into different sections such as moral, ceremonial and civil that were applicable before Christ and then divided after Christ where only some are applicable.
The ten commandments can be instructive but are no longer operative in the life of the believer we walk in the Spirit and are under the divine influence of grace.
The Law cannot be subdivided into different sections such as moral, ceremonial and civil that were applicable before Christ and then divided after Christ where only some are applicable.
The ten commandments can be instructive but are no longer operative in the life of the believer we walk in the Spirit and are under the divine influence of grace.
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The Most High puts HIS LAW in our heart:
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
The bad mixture of law and grace results in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." I will give you a prime example of this bad mixture of law and grace by quoting a post from a former member of CC below:
Can you guess which former member of CC made that erroneous statement?
There is a difference between guarding the Commands of God in the NT and perfectly obeying the 10 Commandments in the OT.
Can you guess which former member of CC made that erroneous statement?
There is a difference between guarding the Commands of God in the NT and perfectly obeying the 10 Commandments in the OT.
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
you add "perfectly" none are perfect, and the only choices are not perfect or lawless....
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושע Messiah."
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"