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You do not understand that our language is different than the language of Moses or whoever wrote Gen 1. They could not use the same tools and ideas we can.
Therefore you must read their writings from their point of view, not from ours. This is called "cultural context" and its very important for reading the Bible.
Actually, I think its you who discredits the Bible, because you read poetical and metaphorical text as literal and technical and therefore you must live in some kind of a box, because everything outside the box shouts "its not literal".
I am kind of agnostic about evolution. i think that evolution is probable, but I cannot be certain. Also, there are different models of evolution.
Therefore you must read their writings from their point of view, not from ours. This is called "cultural context" and its very important for reading the Bible.
Actually, I think its you who discredits the Bible, because you read poetical and metaphorical text as literal and technical and therefore you must live in some kind of a box, because everything outside the box shouts "its not literal".
I am kind of agnostic about evolution. i think that evolution is probable, but I cannot be certain. Also, there are different models of evolution.
That is flawed thinking. Examining one interpretation of Scripture and finding it incompatible with objective, testable reality is not the same as "discrediting the Bible".
Again, I would recommend the work of Michael Heiser. You've already said you aren't interested, but others might be.
As a side note, in response to other posts, evolution is not a scientific theory, despite what the popular media claims. At best it is a hypothesis with little to recommend it other than the categorical avoidance of moral responsibility.
Again, I would recommend the work of Michael Heiser. You've already said you aren't interested, but others might be.
As a side note, in response to other posts, evolution is not a scientific theory, despite what the popular media claims. At best it is a hypothesis with little to recommend it other than the categorical avoidance of moral responsibility.
"Evolution by natural selection is one of the best substantiated theories in the history of science, supported by evidence from a wide variety of scientific disciplines, including paleontology, geology, genetics and developmental biology."
https://www.livescience.com/474-controversy-evolution-works.html
Evolution, theory in biology...
https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theory
Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact? It is both.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
https://www.livescience.com/474-controversy-evolution-works.html
Evolution, theory in biology...
https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theory
Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact? It is both.
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
There are three heavens. The first heaven is when you become a Christian, and is here on Earth. The second heaven is when you die, you enter the Spiritual world of Paradise, Finally, third heaven is when Jesus returns Earth is destroyed and a new earth is given, where we who are Christians will live. God will then live with us forever.
“Heaven” is word #G3772 οὐρανός ouranos (ou-ra-nos') n.
1. the sky. 2. (by extension) heaven (as the abode of God). 3. (by implication) happiness, power, eternity. 4. (specially) the Gospel (Christianity). [perhaps from an obsolete oro “to rise or rear up” (perhaps akin to G142) through the idea of elevation] KJV: air, heaven(-ly), sky See also: G3735, G142
Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament οὐρανός, -οῦ, ὁ, [in LXX chiefly for H8064 (hence, often pl., οἱ οὐ., v. infr.);] heaven;
1. of the vault or firmament of heaven, the sky and the aerial regions above the earth: opp. to ἡ γῆ, Heb 1:10, 2Pe 3:5; 2Pe 3:10, ὁ οὐ. και ἡ γῆ, i.e. the world, the universe, Mat 5:18, Mar 13:31, Luk 10:21, Act 4:24, Rev 10:6, al.; ἀπ᾿ ἄκρων οὐ. ἕως ἄ. αὐτῶν (on the absence of art, aft. prep., v. Bl., § 46, 5), Mat 24:31; ὑπὸ τὸν οὐ., Act 2:5, Col 1:23; ὑψωθῆναι ἕως τοῦ οὐ., fig., Mat 11:23, Luk 10:15; σημεῖον ἐκ τοῦ οὐ., Mat 16:1, Mar 8:11, al.; αἱ ν ψέλαι τον οὐ., Mat 24:30, al.; τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐ., Mat 6:26, Mar 4:32, al.; οἱ ἀστέρες τοῦ οὐ., Rev 6:13, al.; pl. οἱ οὐ. (Bl., § 32, 5), Mat 3:16, Mar 1:10, Joh 1:32, 2Pe 3:7; 2Pe 3:13, al.
2. Of the abode of God and other blessed beings: of angels, Mat 24:36, Mar 12:25, Gal 1:8, Rev 10:1, al.; of Christ glorified, Mar 16:19, Luk 24:51, Act 3:21, Rom 10:6, al.; of God, Mat 5:34, Rom 1:18, al.; ὁ Πατὴρ ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐ. (Dalman, Words, 184 ff.), Mat 5:16; Mat 6:1, al.; θησαυρὸς ἐν σὐ., Mat 6:20, Mar 10:21, al.
3. By meton.,
(a) of the inhabitants of heaven: Rev 18:20 (cf. Rev 12:12, Job 15:15, Isa 44:23);
(b) as an evasive reference to God, characteristic of later Judaism (Dalman, Words, 204 ff.): Mat 21:25, Mar 11:30, Luk 15:18, Joh 3:27 al.; ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐ. (= τοῦ Θεσῦ; see βασιλεία).
Hebrews 4:14-15, "4:14, "Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, יהושע the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession."4:15, "For we do not have a High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin."
2 Kings 2:9-11, "2:9, "And it came to be, when they had passed over, that Ěliyahu said to Elisha, “Ask what I am to do for you, before I am taken away from you!” And Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”"2:10, "And he said, “You have made it hard to ask, yet if you see me when I am taken from you, it is yours; but if not, it is not.”"2:11, "And it came to be, as they continued on and spoke, that see, a chariot of fire with horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Ěliyahu went up by a whirlwind into the heavens."
“Heaven” is word #H8064 שָׁמַיִם shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim) n-m.
שָׁמֶה shameh (shaw-meh') [unused singular]
1. the sky (as aloft). 2. (the dual form) perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve. [from an unused root meaning to be lofty] KJV: air, X astrologer, heaven(-s).
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions - Original: שׁמה שׁמים - Transliteration: Shamayim - Phonetic: shaw-mah'-yim - Definition:
1. heaven, heavens, sky a. visible heavens, sky 1. as abode of the stars 2. as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc b. Heaven (as the abode of God) - Origin: from an unused root meaning to be lofty - TWOT entry: 2407a - Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions - Original: שׁמה שׁמים - 1. heaven, heavens, sky a. visible heavens, sky 1. as abode of the stars 2. as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc b. Heaven (as the abode of God)
שׁמה שׁמים
shâmayim shâmeh
{shaw-mah'-yim} shaw-meh'
Total KJV Occurrences: 420
• air, 21
• astrologers, 1
• heaven, 289
• heavens, 109
H8064 * שָׁמֶה שָׁמַיִם (šāmeh šāmayim)
shamayim G798 * ἄστρον (astron) astron
shamayim G2246 * ἥλιος (hēlios) helios
shamayim G3770 * οὐράνιος (ouranios) ouranios
shamayim G3772 * οὐρανός (ouranos) ouranos
shemayya G2032 * ἐπουράνιος (epouranios) epouranios
Genesis 2:1, "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array."
Psalms 8:1-9, “1 O יהוה, our Master, how excellent is Your Name in all the earth, You who set Your splendour above the heavens! 2 Out of the mouth of babes and infants You have founded strength, Because of Your adversaries, To put an end to enemy and avenger. 3 For I see Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have established. 4 What is man that You remember him? And the son of man that You visit him? 5 Yet You have made him a little less than the Mighty One, and have crowned him with esteem and splendor. 6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet, 7 All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field, 8 The birds of the heavens, And the fish of the sea, Passing through the paths of the seas. 9 O יהוה, our Master, How excellent is Your Name in all the earth!”
1. the sky. 2. (by extension) heaven (as the abode of God). 3. (by implication) happiness, power, eternity. 4. (specially) the Gospel (Christianity). [perhaps from an obsolete oro “to rise or rear up” (perhaps akin to G142) through the idea of elevation] KJV: air, heaven(-ly), sky See also: G3735, G142
Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament οὐρανός, -οῦ, ὁ, [in LXX chiefly for H8064 (hence, often pl., οἱ οὐ., v. infr.);] heaven;
1. of the vault or firmament of heaven, the sky and the aerial regions above the earth: opp. to ἡ γῆ, Heb 1:10, 2Pe 3:5; 2Pe 3:10, ὁ οὐ. και ἡ γῆ, i.e. the world, the universe, Mat 5:18, Mar 13:31, Luk 10:21, Act 4:24, Rev 10:6, al.; ἀπ᾿ ἄκρων οὐ. ἕως ἄ. αὐτῶν (on the absence of art, aft. prep., v. Bl., § 46, 5), Mat 24:31; ὑπὸ τὸν οὐ., Act 2:5, Col 1:23; ὑψωθῆναι ἕως τοῦ οὐ., fig., Mat 11:23, Luk 10:15; σημεῖον ἐκ τοῦ οὐ., Mat 16:1, Mar 8:11, al.; αἱ ν ψέλαι τον οὐ., Mat 24:30, al.; τὰ πετεινὰ τοῦ οὐ., Mat 6:26, Mar 4:32, al.; οἱ ἀστέρες τοῦ οὐ., Rev 6:13, al.; pl. οἱ οὐ. (Bl., § 32, 5), Mat 3:16, Mar 1:10, Joh 1:32, 2Pe 3:7; 2Pe 3:13, al.
2. Of the abode of God and other blessed beings: of angels, Mat 24:36, Mar 12:25, Gal 1:8, Rev 10:1, al.; of Christ glorified, Mar 16:19, Luk 24:51, Act 3:21, Rom 10:6, al.; of God, Mat 5:34, Rom 1:18, al.; ὁ Πατὴρ ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐ. (Dalman, Words, 184 ff.), Mat 5:16; Mat 6:1, al.; θησαυρὸς ἐν σὐ., Mat 6:20, Mar 10:21, al.
3. By meton.,
(a) of the inhabitants of heaven: Rev 18:20 (cf. Rev 12:12, Job 15:15, Isa 44:23);
(b) as an evasive reference to God, characteristic of later Judaism (Dalman, Words, 204 ff.): Mat 21:25, Mar 11:30, Luk 15:18, Joh 3:27 al.; ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐ. (= τοῦ Θεσῦ; see βασιλεία).
Hebrews 4:14-15, "4:14, "Therefore, since we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, יהושע the Son of Elohim, let us hold fast our confession."4:15, "For we do not have a High Priest unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who was tried in all respects as we are, apart from sin."
2 Kings 2:9-11, "2:9, "And it came to be, when they had passed over, that Ěliyahu said to Elisha, “Ask what I am to do for you, before I am taken away from you!” And Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”"2:10, "And he said, “You have made it hard to ask, yet if you see me when I am taken from you, it is yours; but if not, it is not.”"2:11, "And it came to be, as they continued on and spoke, that see, a chariot of fire with horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Ěliyahu went up by a whirlwind into the heavens."
“Heaven” is word #H8064 שָׁמַיִם shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim) n-m.
שָׁמֶה shameh (shaw-meh') [unused singular]
1. the sky (as aloft). 2. (the dual form) perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve. [from an unused root meaning to be lofty] KJV: air, X astrologer, heaven(-s).
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions - Original: שׁמה שׁמים - Transliteration: Shamayim - Phonetic: shaw-mah'-yim - Definition:
1. heaven, heavens, sky a. visible heavens, sky 1. as abode of the stars 2. as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc b. Heaven (as the abode of God) - Origin: from an unused root meaning to be lofty - TWOT entry: 2407a - Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine
Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions - Original: שׁמה שׁמים - 1. heaven, heavens, sky a. visible heavens, sky 1. as abode of the stars 2. as the visible universe, the sky, atmosphere, etc b. Heaven (as the abode of God)
שׁמה שׁמים
shâmayim shâmeh
{shaw-mah'-yim} shaw-meh'
Total KJV Occurrences: 420
• air, 21
• astrologers, 1
• heaven, 289
• heavens, 109
H8064 * שָׁמֶה שָׁמַיִם (šāmeh šāmayim)
shamayim G798 * ἄστρον (astron) astron
shamayim G2246 * ἥλιος (hēlios) helios
shamayim G3770 * οὐράνιος (ouranios) ouranios
shamayim G3772 * οὐρανός (ouranos) ouranos
shemayya G2032 * ἐπουράνιος (epouranios) epouranios
Genesis 2:1, "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array."
Psalms 8:1-9, “1 O יהוה, our Master, how excellent is Your Name in all the earth, You who set Your splendour above the heavens! 2 Out of the mouth of babes and infants You have founded strength, Because of Your adversaries, To put an end to enemy and avenger. 3 For I see Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have established. 4 What is man that You remember him? And the son of man that You visit him? 5 Yet You have made him a little less than the Mighty One, and have crowned him with esteem and splendor. 6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet, 7 All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field, 8 The birds of the heavens, And the fish of the sea, Passing through the paths of the seas. 9 O יהוה, our Master, How excellent is Your Name in all the earth!”
The reason that I don't consider evolution a scientific theory is that it fails to qualify for three of the four attributes which would put it into the realm of science. It is not observable, not testable, and not repeatable. It is, however, falsifiable, as an abundance of good mathematics has shown.
