Did you all know that there are three heavens

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pjharrison

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The third heaven is were God dwells. The second is were satan and his demons dwell and the third is the heaven above us.
 
Dino246

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That's one interpretation, for which I see no support in Scripture.

Paul states clearly that a man was taken up to the third heaven, so there are at least three.

"Heaven" is used in several senses in Genesis, for the sky, outer space, and the abode of God. I suspect the latter is that to which Paul was referring.
 
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Ephesians 6:12 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
Jewel5712

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pjharrison said:
Ephesians 6:12 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Hmmmm..not sure that really supports your theory...
 
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Ephesians 6:12 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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When Satan was kicked out of heaven, he went to the second heaven.
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Wheres the 1st heaven?
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The one above us
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Hmmmm..not sure that really supports your theory...
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When Satan was kicked out of the third heaven, he went to the second heaven. That's why he can go in and out from the earth. He and the demons are invisible. When they are kicked out of the second heaven, they will be given a body so that they cannot return to the second heaven. We will be told that they are aliens, from another planet.
 
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pjharrison said:
When Satan was kicked out of the third heaven, he went to the second heaven. That's why he can go in and out from the earth. He and the demons are invisible. When they are kicked out of the second heaven, they will be given a body so that they cannot return to the second heaven. We will be told that they are aliens, from another planet.
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The last sentence is already happening. What is your scriptural support for the rest?
 
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The last sentence is already happening. What is your scriptural support for the rest?
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Eph: 6:10-12, 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
And the other part hasn't happened yet.
 
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pjharrison said:
Eph: 6:10-12, 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
And the other part hasn't happened yet.
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I don't see that as as supporting your thesis as clearly and certainly as you seem to think it does.
 
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pjharrison said:
When Satan was kicked out of the third heaven, he went to the second heaven. That's why he can go in and out from the earth. He and the demons are invisible. When they are kicked out of the second heaven, they will be given a body so that they cannot return to the second heaven. We will be told that they are aliens, from another planet.
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Satan came in the form of a serpant on earth. Satan DOES take on many forms ..so do angels
 
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I don't see that as as supporting your thesis as clearly and certainly as you seem to think it does.
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We now God is in the third heaven. 2 cor: 12:2 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. You know the rest. We know that the demons are not in our heaven.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
So where else can they be? Got to be the second heaven. The whole demonic kingdom.
 
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pjharrison said:
We now God is in the third heaven. 2 cor: 12:2 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. You know the rest. We know that the demons are not in our heaven.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
So where else can they be? Got to be the second heaven. The whole demonic kingdom.
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By your question "so where else can they be" suggests your asuming a lot by making multiple heavens...satan was cast out of heaven and abides in hell...STARTS with an "h" but definately NOT the same place
 
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pjharrison said:
We now God is in the third heaven. 2 cor: 12:2 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. You know the rest. We know that the demons are not in our heaven.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
So where else can they be? Got to be the second heaven. The whole demonic kingdom.
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Well there is a problem with your basis of the second heaven. Heaven comes from the word haven meaning a safe and secure place if the second heaven was in fact the demonic kingdom then that would contradict the heaven part wouldn't it?
 
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Jewel5712 said:
By your question "so where else can they be" suggests your asuming a lot by making multiple heavens...satan was cast out of heaven and abides in hell...STARTS with an "h" but definately NOT the same place
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Well why does is say forces of evil in the heavenly realms?
 
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Well there is a problem with your basis of the second heaven. Heaven comes from the word haven meaning a safe and secure place if the second heaven was in fact the demonic kingdom then that would contradict the heaven part wouldn't it?
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No, they where kicked out of the third, into the second. They are the evil in the heavenly realms.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
By your question "so where else can they be" suggests your asuming a lot by making multiple heavens...satan was cast out of heaven and abides in hell...STARTS with an "h" but definately NOT the same place
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If satan was locked away how could he be prince of the air. The world is his kingdom as well as the second heaven.
 
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