OSAS= House Built on Sand

I read your answer to my question.

You answered saved, to this question -


Is a sheep that wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved?


Those who promote OSAS must deceitfully "redefine" biblical words.


You claim a lost sheep is saved.


In your mind, lost = saved.



You have exchanged the truth for a lie.



JPT

It's Biblical Truth, that totally and completely shows that OSAS is a doctrine of demons from hell.


It's up to us, to do the work of bringing the lost back to repentance.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
• And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:

1. “Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
• and someone turns him back
• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
• will save a soul from death

Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.







Jesus is in Heaven, seated at the right hand of God.


He has finished the work that the Father sent Him to do. LOL!!!


Who said anything about seething anger? LOL




JPT

John 10:26-28
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


I think those who say that a person can lose their salvation have exchanged the truth for a lie.

The re-define thing though its not really re-defining. Its either your carnal mind interpreting wrong or it is revealed to you by the Holy Spirit. Once it is revealed to you it is really easy to spot when someone is interpreting wrong by their carnal understanding.

Not only do you make the Lord impotent and incompetent, but you refuse to acknowledge that He is going to look for HIS UNTIL they are found.


You, and others, also negate the fact of the NEW birth. How monstrous a claim it is that the Lord will not find His Children that are lost. What kind of a Father would do that?

@mailmandan ..dont know bout you but does this thread seem to go in circles..i feel ive repeated my opinions over and over and over again on here and the same people are asking the same questions just slightly different wording each time. Dont know how one keeps thier sanity in here..like the chinese water torture..drip..drip..drip...

Right here in Luke 15 -


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
• and someone turns him back
• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
• will save a soul from death

Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.


For one of His sheep to become lost, it must first belong to the Shepherd.




JPT

Where does that leave you?

Lost can be used to designate eternally lost.

Lost can be used to designate misplaced.

Lost can be used to designate without hope of restoration.

Sheep is used to designate believers.

Goats is used to designate unsaved people or nations.

Which brings us back to where does it leave you? Sheep hear His voice. Goats do not hear. Sheep respond and goats rebell.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Right here in Luke 15 -


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
• and someone turns him back
• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
• will save a soul from death

Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.


For one of His sheep to become lost, it must first belong to the Shepherd.




JPT

No goats are mentioned at all in this parable or my question.


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?




JPT

Your last sentence doesnt make sense according to you thought process.."for one sheep to be lost it must first belong to the shephard"..if you say "lost" is sin..not saved...how can they belong to the shephard FIRST.. Repentance..salvation ..THEN we are His sheep

@mailmandan ..dont know bout you but does this thread seem to go in circles..i feel ive repeated my opinions over and over and over again on here and the same people are asking the same questions just slightly different wording each time. Dont know how one keeps thier sanity in here..like the chinese water torture..drip..drip..drip...

Can you honestly answer a simple question?


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?



JPT

It never ceases to amaze me how the people who attack the OSAS doctrine the most are those who teach salvation by works. ALL false religions and cults that teach salvation by works strongly disagree with OSAS. Don’t know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me!

The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?



JPT

All false religions and cults that teach grace is a license to sin strongly disagree with anti-OSAS. Don't know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me!

See how unfair your reasoning is? I know that you don't think grace is a license to sin so why is it fair for me to question your 'once saved always saved' doctrine just because false believers who think grace is a license to sin flock to it like bugs to a porch light? I would expect the same courtesy be extended to me, who, as you know, doesn't teach salvation by works, yet doesn't believe in 'once saved always saved'.

Remember, Christianity isn't about who has the most accurate doctrine. It's about who is going to act like Christ.

According to the PARABLE..the sheep in the PARABLE us the UNSAVED..lost..this understanding comes from reading the verses both before and AFTER the parable as well..

The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?



JPT

Lol..since you like sheep references so much..heres another..lol

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Isiah 53:6

Were the sheep lost or saved? Lol

Jesus did the work the Father gave Him to do, and is seated at the right hand of God.


He has poured out His Spirit upon us to empower us to do the works He did.


IT'S UP TO US, TO GO AFTER THE LOST!

WAKE UP!!!!


What is monstrous is to sit back and watch people wander away and become lost and do nothing to turn them back!



“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

• What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.

• I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


Matthew's version shows us what Jesus taught about dealing with such a person, and in context shows us the principle of forgiveness and unforgiveness.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
• And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:

1. “Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
• and someone turns him back
• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
• will save a soul from death

Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.




JPT