Is Messiah,(The Anointed One) the Father?

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jaybird88

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Most, if not all, of the letter of 1 John is devoted to refuting the gnostic heresy. So there's your bad fruit. John said they are anti-Christ.
love one another and Christ our advicate, these are ant gnostic teachings?
 

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The Catholic Bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul , Irenaeus, should be studied first before thinking his writings are unbiased. LINK
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Against Heresies also speaks against Marcion, who taught that the God of the Old Testament was different from the God of the New Testament and who rejected the Old Testament. Irenaeus’ critique of Gnosticism was largely dependent upon the Old Testament, so he addressed the Marcion heresy as well.

In Against Heresies, Irenaeus also quotes from every New Testament book except 3 John, so it is an important document to show the ancient church’s acceptance of New Testament Scripture. However, Against Heresiesalso refers to The Shepherd of Hermas as “Scripture” and treats the book of 1 Clement as authoritative. Still, in Irenaeus we can see that the canon was beginning to coalesce.

Irenaeus’ The Proof of Apostolic Preaching (or The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching) is a summary of Christian preaching with an emphasis on the fact the Christ fulfills Old Testament prophecy. "
 

rlm68

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You're just blowing smoke. You must be getting this stuff off of a gnostic website.

No, I probably have an IQ that is better than yours by 50 points. I am a mathematics and science major. I know how these things work in great detail. And I am not trying to come across mean or anything, but you really are blinded by how we can use technology to date things nowadays.

We just recently discovered that in megiddo there are 20 cities that was built right on top of another. Basically, one empire existed and was defeated, and they removed the rumble and rebuilt right on top of that. But nonetheless, we can prove biblical history by it.

You clearly need to educate yourself!!
 
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jaybird88

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The Catholic Bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul , Irenaeus, should be studied first before thinking his writings are unbiased. LINK
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Against Heresies also speaks against Marcion, who taught that the God of the Old Testament was different from the God of the New Testament and who rejected the Old Testament. Irenaeus’ critique of Gnosticism was largely dependent upon the Old Testament, so he addressed the Marcion heresy as well.

In Against Heresies, Irenaeus also quotes from every New Testament book except 3 John, so it is an important document to show the ancient church’s acceptance of New Testament Scripture. However, Against Heresiesalso refers to The Shepherd of Hermas as “Scripture” and treats the book of 1 Clement as authoritative. Still, in Irenaeus we can see that the canon was beginning to coalesce.

Irenaeus’ The Proof of Apostolic Preaching (or The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching) is a summary of Christian preaching with an emphasis on the fact the Christ fulfills Old Testament prophecy. "
one of the problems with the gnostic demiurge concept (the Most High of the Hebrew bible is Satan) is in order for this to be true the gnostic Christians would have also had to believe that their great teacher Jesus was sent from Satan.
the demiurge idea came from the greeks and was nothing like the latter, this has always lead me to believe the secondary idea was nothing but roman disinformation.
 

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one of the problems with the gnostic demiurge concept (the Most High of the Hebrew bible is Satan) is in order for this to be true the gnostic Christians would have also had to believe that their great teacher Jesus was sent from Satan.
the demiurge idea came from the greeks and was nothing like the latter, this has always lead me to believe the secondary idea was nothing but roman disinformation.
Demiurge , etymology is born from the Greek, demiourgoß.
Definition
  1. a workman for the public
  2. the author of any work, an artisan, framer, builder
Demiurge has a storied history over the centuries and according to different traditions. Satan however is one such allusion attached to the Demiurge.

Paul's Travels
Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity
What is Gnostic Demiurge?
 
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No, I probably have an IQ that is better than yours by 50 points. I am a mathematics and science major. I know how these things work in great detail. And I am not trying to come across mean or anything, but you really are blinded by how we can use technology to date things nowadays.

We just recently discovered that in megiddo there are 20 cities that was built right on top of another. Basically, one empire existed and was defeated, and they removed the rumble and rebuilt right on top of that. But nonetheless, we can prove biblical history by it.

You clearly need to educate yourself!!
And I bet your VQ and BSQ are off scale!

Vanity Quotient & BS Quotient
 
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jaybird88

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Demiurge , etymology is born from the Greek, demiourgoß.
Definition
  1. a workman for the public
  2. the author of any work, an artisan, framer, builder
Demiurge has a storied history over the centuries and according to different traditions. Satan however is one such allusion attached to the Demiurge.

Paul's Travels
Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity
What is Gnostic Demiurge?
the Greeks called it the perfect image of the One, that which all things were created through. where have i heard that before?
 

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And I bet your VQ and BSQ are off scale!

Vanity Quotient & BS Quotient
Lol .
I deal with engineers and mathematics majors all day at the shop . It’s funny when they need to pull out their little book to check my trig .
Blessings
Bill
 

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And I bet your VQ and BSQ are off scale!

Vanity Quotient & BS Quotient
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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Lol .
I deal with engineers and mathematics majors all day at the shop . It’s funny when they need to pull out their little book to check my trig .
Blessings
Bill
I work with engineers. That happening per your mathematics isn't actually a funny on them.
 

rlm68

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And I bet your VQ and BSQ are off scale!

Vanity Quotient & BS Quotient

Why would I be fat?
Why would you assume I was a smoker, or used to be?
You think high IQ means lung deformity?

O.K.,

I really am discussing this topic with someone who has no clue about much of anything!!

God has blessed me with a healthy body. My blood work is all 100% negative on every issue. I get a physical twice per year because my insurance allows it. I will be 50 in December and I amaze nursing staff and doctors by the simple fact I have had no operations, nor have I ever had to stay the night in a hospital facility. That is a true testimony of God and His wonderful Grace He has bestowed upon me.

But I am truly at a loss that you would equate higher IQ to abnormal body physic.

Einstein, Tesla, Woods, Ford, and many others with IQ's at 160+ also had no physical ailments.


On a serious note though, Someone that would make such a suggestion as you just did, generally suffers from some sort of pyschological disorder.

Ever had a brain scan?

Anyone in your life ever wonder if you had mental issues?

Your response is the typical response of someone both lost, and not very bright. I would guess you had a rather rough upbringing, and are harboring things someone should never have to be burdened with.

You can deny all of this, but you fit the bill to every psychological red flag known in existence!!
 

rlm68

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Lol .
I deal with engineers and mathematics majors all day at the shop . It’s funny when they need to pull out their little book to check my trig .
Blessings
Bill

Are you a machinist?

And the only trig you should be doing is bolt hole patterns and compound fractures. It would be rather sad if an engineer had issue with that :(
 

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Why would I be fat?
Why would you assume I was a smoker, or used to be?
You think high IQ means lung deformity?

O.K.,

I really am discussing this topic with someone who has no clue about much of anything!!

God has blessed me with a healthy body. My blood work is all 100% negative on every issue. I get a physical twice per year because my insurance allows it. I will be 50 in December and I amaze nursing staff and doctors by the simple fact I have had no operations, nor have I ever had to stay the night in a hospital facility. That is a true testimony of God and His wonderful Grace He has bestowed upon me.

But I am truly at a loss that you would equate higher IQ to abnormal body physic.

Einstein, Tesla, Woods, Ford, and many others with IQ's at 160+ also had no physical ailments.


On a serious note though, Someone that would make such a suggestion as you just did, generally suffers from some sort of pyschological disorder.

Ever had a brain scan?

Anyone in your life ever wonder if you had mental issues?

Your response is the typical response of someone both lost, and not very bright. I would guess you had a rather rough upbringing, and are harboring things someone should never have to be burdened with.

You can deny all of this, but you fit the bill to every psychological red flag known in existence!!
Don't let an enemy lead you from your peace in Christ. Lean on God and his teaching. (hug) And share them with that which has no gleaning of the same that they may find their way to peace rather than prosper in enmity.

Proverbs 27:3 A stone is heavy, and sand is weighty, but a fool's provocation is heavier than both.4.Wrath is cruel, anger is overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?
 
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Your response is the typical response of someone both lost, and not very bright. I would guess you had a rather rough upbringing, and are harboring things someone should never have to be burdened with.
In some repsects I did have a difficult upbringing, but one thing I can absolutely thank GOD for is that I didn't have a dad like you.
 

rlm68

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In some repsects I did have a difficult upbringing, but one thing I can absolutely thank GOD for is that I didn't have a dad like you.


Seems we are both blessed in that regards!!

Through Almighty God and His guidance, my children have achieved in life. There is nothing more that pleases a father than seeing His children succeed in life. It's how God views us and what He desires for us. But He also gives us common sense, it's too bad the majority of those called believers have never used it!!
 

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Thomas is an interesting writing. I believe that Messiah spoke and the dutiful servant wrote it. Is the the original? Who knows? Who Was There!
Before Abraham was He knew the Father. Before we came into this corrupt world He knew all of His sheep.
Those who hear the voice of Messiah have been sent by the Father's desire to His son. What Messiah did was sent on the authority given him by the Father was forgiveness and mercy and peace to all who would have heard with their ears. Don't forget to return with all your heart.
It is those who confirm the commands and testimony and judgments of Elohim our Father in Messiah.
We who judge don't you know that Elohim our Master is an all consuming fire? And don't you teach that repentance is a one time thing? Living life to glorify the Father of liars has taught us all well, and even we lie to our own children of the Truth...
The sin's of her are mounting up to Heaven, and their stench is not ignored. When Judgment comes on the land are those who survived humbled? We all the signs may come on those who continue to ignore truth. His word was sent to us in the name of Messiah and no longer isbatbto be a stumbling block but rather a teacher. Didn't Messiah our Master tell us he leaves for us who would hear his voice a way? What does scripture say is Holy, and Good for correction, reproof, and instruction in righteousness?

We have been trying to organize the Kingdom in our manner not the order of scripture we have been directed through the Holy Spirit to choose.
In stead we think we are rich and puff ourselves up to think we're smart. Don't we also know then that Elohim despises a proud look? That His vengeance is placed on them. May we never fall under the fearful hand of correction and not receive loving instruction and direction.

My prayers are with you who are far from the promises and covenants given through various mediators until today when it is given in a new spirit to make us a Holy nation together as one new man. We have been brought close through the work of Messiah Yahshua, (Yah's Salvation) I'm order to take hold of Messiah and His loving instruction. Grow in what is right by The Father in Heaven by putting down what is wrong. Remember that day that shows that our God knows us and we know we are His. Fellowship with all love and understanding to glorify the Father through his Son. Allowing Messiah to grow maturity in each of us.
Shalom John Talmid
 

rlm68

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Don't let an enemy lead you from your peace in Christ. Lean on God and his teaching. (hug) And share them with that which has no gleaning of the same that they may find their way to peace rather than prosper in enmity.

Proverbs 27:3 A stone is heavy, and sand is weighty, but a fool's provocation is heavier than both.4.Wrath is cruel, anger is overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?


It's best this person get all of its anger out, even if it is directed at a complete stranger. It's like good therapy for them. And like a good therapist, sometimes it's good to push them!!
 

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Are you a machinist?

And the only trig you should be doing is bolt hole patterns and compound fractures. It would be rather sad if an engineer had issue with that :(
Yea they would have issues in determining if my helix angel,thread angel,root and pitch was correct an a single point threaded hole . This is done on a auto cam driven lathe. They would have to look at a hand written layout . Not on a CNC machine where the math is done for them .

Blessings

Bill
 

rlm68

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Yea they would have issues in determining if my helix angel,thread angel,root and pitch was correct an a single point threaded hole . This is done on a auto cam driven lathe. They would have to look at a hand written layout . Not on a CNC machine where the math is done for them .

Blessings

Bill


Very cool,

Interesting, because the moment I read single point, my initial thought was lathe. And the use of a cam for it does add complexity to it. My company wants me to to finally do the engineering role. Outside of GD&T, they want me to convert CAD into MasterCam. But I love my surface grind, ID/OD grind and especially my Moore Jig grinder too much to give it up. And I still turn handles on both the lathe and mills (boring mills and Bridgeport). I get enough action with engineers discussing their prints (we build gages and the prints look from top down)(and interrupted lines indicate more than one level of such gages). They can be difficult especially when they are wrong. Definitely one reason I want to avoid being with them or one. And my work specifically uses sine bar, sine plate for compound fractures, and my joe/gage block stack up (which I trig to figure out) because I jig grind every detail for the entire gage.

If I can I will post a picture of the gages I build:


As you can see very complex. We hold tolerances to 0.000008 (80 millionths true position).

God definitely is awesome, for letting me work in this field, that is extremely precise!!

Nice to meet you, Brother!!

Rich