Speaking in tongues

As I have not given a definition, it is invalid to call my definition "limited and biased". However, since you are unable to look it up for yourself, here is a definition from Wikipedia, one of many sources on this subject:

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[2] The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade. Other ways to express this are that there is no reason to accept the premises unless one already believes the conclusion, or that the premises provide no independent ground or evidence for the conclusion.[3] Begging the question is closely related to circular reasoning, and in modern usage the two generally refer to the same thing.[4]

With God yes but man's knowledge is pitiful and for that reason we must trust Gods word and not our feelings or emotions.

Self edification feels good but quickly passes away like the grass with the scorching of the afternoon sun. Gods word remains forever.

1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Neither of you understands the nature of circular reasoning. It's a logical fallacy, making one's arguments invalid.

Neither of you understands the nature of edification (as used in Scripture) because both of you are stuck in tiny boxes of your own making.

That two otherwise-intelligent men can be so stubborn and unwilling to set aside prejudice is remarkable.

speaking in tongues (praying in the Holy Spirit) is not a gift that is dispersed within a Pentecostal church as
explained in 1Corinthians 13 and 14.
Speaking in tongues is a daily prayer language which is described by Jesus and the Apostles as a sign of true baptism
or infilling of the Holy Spirit.
Read Acts for clarification of this along with Mark 16:15-20.

Nick - baptized in water on 30th October 1996 and baptized in the Holy Spirit on 1st December 1996 with the
Bible evidence of speaking in a new tongue.
This is quite different to operating the voice gift of diversities of tongues along with interpretation that we conduct
in our worship meetings.

Ok that is exactly what you have been doing.

Since you insist on being cheeky indulge yourself. Despite my high hopes you are not offering anything of merit. Just the desperation of condescending responses.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Two kinds of circular reasoning as prejudices .One is represent the philosophies of men that reason in respect the wisdom of this world under the influence of god of this world. And the reasoning of God as the law of faith hid in parable which without parables Christ the mediator of God spoke not (the signified circular language of God) .

Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.But they understood not this saying, and "it was hid from them", that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Luke 9:44-45

The apostles who did not understand the parablethey immediately removed Christ from their circle as a valid source of philosophical reasoning and played the philosophical game of who is the greatest philosopher

Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9:46

In in the end of the matter after three times (three denotes the end of a manner) Christ rebuked them as said...…….

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luke 9:55

How do you reason as your prejudice? After the things seen (no fait , no Christ) or as the apostles did before they learned the right kind of prejudice . Can't serve two reasoning masters

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

There is a perfect example of circular reasoning. 1 Cor 12-14 are the context to 1 Cor 12-14. And no understanding is edifying. If one feels edified one is edified.

The context of 1 Cor 12-14 must be in agreement with Acts and the rest of scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I welcome you to (attempt to) support your opening assertion. I would encourage you to consider your own position carefully first though.

If you don't like "cheek" as you call it, then dispense with denigrating my understanding, as condescension goes both ways.

maybe you should read it . because the context of 1cor 12 to 14 chapters is the Gifts of the Holy Spirit but you can change it if you like . I prefer to leave and keep it is written . The context of Acts is The Acts of the Holy Spirit. 1cor 12 to 14 is providing more teaching on the topic of " Gifts of the Holy Spirit ". I bet you would love to just reap out those chapters . and circular of reasoning ? hmm I think theologically the circle of Context is more important then human reasoning . Authorial Intent of what the author was saying and who he was saying it to, and how they applied it then and how we apply it today. Human reasoning cannot help in this You need the Holy Spirit as Jesus said .

Identifying a logical fallacy in the argument of another is not "wisdom of this world". God's word may at times be mysterious, but it is never illogical. Sound thinking is completely consistent with the nature of God. In Christ we have sound minds... which provide for sound thinking... which is not illogical thinking.

I would encourage you to do some research on the nature of circular reasoning so that you aren't inclined to invent your own meaning for it. It is a specific term with a specific meaning.

My assertion stands on the merits of scripture. I have carefully considered the truth of scripture your issue is not with me but with Gods word. Your present understanding is not supported by scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Sure it is all logical philosophical opinions of men that make the written law of God without effect. It is the wisdom of this world under the power of the god of this world.

I did not say God's word as a law... and not a philosophical theory of men has no logic as Logos .Logos provides God's logic, as a law (not a theory of men)

Circular reasoning can be used to represent the circle of truth (faith to faith) or untruth, or the circle of men, comparing the logic of men to the same logic .Or the other kind the spiritual worlds of God to the same spiritual words of God . Not the spirit of the world.

Two kinds of circles(completeness) as a seal .

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; "comparing spiritual things with spiritual". But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. It is not some airy-fairy spiritual thing. It's flawed thinking, simple as that. Your invented definition is meaningless to this discussion.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. It is not some airy-fairy spiritual thing. It's flawed thinking, simple as that. Your invented definition is meaningless to this discussion.

You asserted that I was engaging in circular reasoning. Without specific evidence, your assertion stands on nothing. Claiming that my issue is with God's word is completely irrelevant.

You made the claim. Support it or withdraw it.

I feel sorry for you. Truth does not change. Circle it as often as you like it will always remain true. Logic based in and on Christ cannot be flawed no matter the opinion of man.

Self edification without knowledge is just the airy-fairy spiritual thing you feign to distain. This discussion has been very enlightening. thanks for your participation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Circular reasoning is perfectly fine if it circles the truth of Christ. Circular reasoning is a logical fallicy only if there is error in the reasoning. Christ is Truth. Christ is never untrue. Therefore Christ is Truth. No logical fallicy for there is no error. Christ can never be wrong. The word of God can never be wrong. Anything else is a logical fallicy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

LOL Round and around we go.

Yes, According to your circular reasoning as the wisdom of this world (logic philosophy) I can understand where yours comes from .

Why can you not understand according to His circular reasoning (Logos) the living Word which became flesh for a demonstration of the unseen spiritual work of the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world .

What makes His circular reason a fallacy, and yours the true circular reasoning ?

I'm not the one engaging in circular reasoning, nor is Christ. Please go and look it up so you don't keep misusing the term. I provided one definition; you are free to look up others, but your own ideas of what the term means are quite irrelevant, since I introduced it.