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. I concur with you wholeheartedly.Two kinds of circular reasoning as prejudices .One is represent the philosophies of men that reason in respect the wisdom of this world under the influence of god of this world. And the reasoning of God as the law of faith hid in parable which without parables Christ the mediator of God spoke not (the signified circular language of God) .
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.But they understood not this saying, and "it was hid from them", that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Luke 9:44-45
The apostles who did not understand the parablethey immediately removed Christ from their circle as a valid source of philosophical reasoning and played the philosophical game of who is the greatest philosopher
Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9:46
In in the end of the matter after three times (three denotes the end of a manner) Christ rebuked them as said...…….
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luke 9:55
How do you reason as your prejudice? After the things seen (no fait , no Christ) or as the apostles did before they learned the right kind of prejudice . Can't serve two reasoning masters
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.But they understood not this saying, and "it was hid from them", that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Luke 9:44-45
The apostles who did not understand the parablethey immediately removed Christ from their circle as a valid source of philosophical reasoning and played the philosophical game of who is the greatest philosopher
Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. Luke 9:46
In in the end of the matter after three times (three denotes the end of a manner) Christ rebuked them as said...…….
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luke 9:55
How do you reason as your prejudice? After the things seen (no fait , no Christ) or as the apostles did before they learned the right kind of prejudice . Can't serve two reasoning masters
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Strange that you cant find this teaching worldwide before pentecostal movement began. According your defination the most bornagain christians between pentecost and today had no filling with the Holy Spirit and had also no true baptism.
Non of the NT writer teaches such a false doctrine.
Non of the NT writer teaches such a false doctrine.
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Identifying a logical fallacy in the argument of another is not "wisdom of this world". God's word may at times be mysterious, but it is never illogical. Sound thinking is completely consistent with the nature of God. In Christ we have sound minds... which provide for sound thinking... which is not illogical thinking.
I would encourage you to do some research on the nature of circular reasoning so that you aren't inclined to invent your own meaning for it. It is a specific term with a specific meaning.
I would encourage you to do some research on the nature of circular reasoning so that you aren't inclined to invent your own meaning for it. It is a specific term with a specific meaning.
maybe you should read it . because the context of 1cor 12 to 14 chapters is the Gifts of the Holy Spirit but you can change it if you like . I prefer to leave and keep it is written . The context of Acts is The Acts of the Holy Spirit. 1cor 12 to 14 is providing more teaching on the topic of " Gifts of the Holy Spirit ". I bet you would love to just reap out those chapters . and circular of reasoning ? hmm I think theologically the circle of Context is more important then human reasoning . Authorial Intent of what the author was saying and who he was saying it to, and how they applied it then and how we apply it today. Human reasoning cannot help in this You need the Holy Spirit as Jesus said .
You are wrong. You once again falsely accuse me based on a false understanding of the scriptures involved. You are not keeping scripture as written. You are interpreting scripture to support a behavior that the Author has declared to be in error. The Author is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit indwells me so I do not lack the Holy Spirit. Is your intent to accuse me of being unsaved?
I have never had any desire to rip out any chapters of the bible contrary to your false accusation. I do believe that you cannot isolate these three chapters from the rest of scripture as you are intent on doing. All of scripture and it means all is profitable for doctrine not just parts in isolation all as a whole. Unless you want to accuse Paul of giving Timothy bad advice.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Edification without knowledge is feeding on the husks and not the sincere milk of the word.
Proverbs 18:15 ¶ The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have never had any desire to rip out any chapters of the bible contrary to your false accusation. I do believe that you cannot isolate these three chapters from the rest of scripture as you are intent on doing. All of scripture and it means all is profitable for doctrine not just parts in isolation all as a whole. Unless you want to accuse Paul of giving Timothy bad advice.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Edification without knowledge is feeding on the husks and not the sincere milk of the word.
Proverbs 18:15 ¶ The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Sure it is all logical philosophical opinions of men that make the written law of God without effect. It is the wisdom of this world under the power of the god of this world.
I did not say God's word as a law... and not a philosophical theory of men has no logic as Logos .Logos provides God's logic, as a law (not a theory of men)
Circular reasoning can be used to represent the circle of truth (faith to faith) or untruth, or the circle of men, comparing the logic of men to the same logic .Or the other kind the spiritual worlds of God to the same spiritual words of God . Not the spirit of the world.
Two kinds of circles(completeness) as a seal .
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; "comparing spiritual things with spiritual". But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I did not say God's word as a law... and not a philosophical theory of men has no logic as Logos .Logos provides God's logic, as a law (not a theory of men)
Circular reasoning can be used to represent the circle of truth (faith to faith) or untruth, or the circle of men, comparing the logic of men to the same logic .Or the other kind the spiritual worlds of God to the same spiritual words of God . Not the spirit of the world.
Two kinds of circles(completeness) as a seal .
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; "comparing spiritual things with spiritual". But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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I feel sorry for you. Truth does not change. Circle it as often as you like it will always remain true. Logic based in and on Christ cannot be flawed no matter the opinion of man.
Self edification without knowledge is just the airy-fairy spiritual thing you feign to distain. This discussion has been very enlightening. thanks for your participation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Self edification without knowledge is just the airy-fairy spiritual thing you feign to distain. This discussion has been very enlightening. thanks for your participation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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LOL Round and around we go.
Yes, According to your circular reasoning as the wisdom of this world (logic philosophy) I can understand where yours comes from .
Why can you not understand according to His circular reasoning (Logos) the living Word which became flesh for a demonstration of the unseen spiritual work of the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world .
What makes His circular reason a fallacy, and yours the true circular reasoning ?
Yes, According to your circular reasoning as the wisdom of this world (logic philosophy) I can understand where yours comes from .
Why can you not understand according to His circular reasoning (Logos) the living Word which became flesh for a demonstration of the unseen spiritual work of the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world .
What makes His circular reason a fallacy, and yours the true circular reasoning ?
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Circular reasoning is perfectly fine if it circles the truth of Christ. Circular reasoning is a logical fallicy only if there is error in the reasoning. Christ is Truth. Christ is never untrue. Therefore Christ is Truth. No logical fallicy for there is no error. Christ can never be wrong. The word of God can never be wrong. Anything else is a logical fallicy.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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