SALVATION

Salvation from the just punishment of a perfect God who WILL bring justice which we deserve having fallen short comes from God and not our walk.

This gift is something God gets ALL of the glory for.

It is given by grace through faith to who-so-ever believes in Jesus....

God is not decieved by a disingenuous faith.

Hebrews 11
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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1. John 3:16, Thayer's definition of the Greek translation for the word WORLD in this verse and also for John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, and 2 Cor 5:19, 8) any aggregate or general collection of any sort a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews ( Rom 11:12 etc. a) used of believers only 2 through 4 I would have to look them up, and that may be hard to do if you are using another version of the bible other than the King James version. It would help me to comment on the scripture if you would name the book, chapter and verse. I hope that is not asking too much of you.

roger, do you think that I am lost eternally, and you are trying to save me by teaching me that I can accomplish that by my works of confessing and repenting?

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you are in great 'error'; according to you, it would seem that The Holy Spirit has given us no 'power' to 'over-come'
the wicked ways of this fallen-world'., thus denying our 'Holy Intercessor',..

Paul plainly explains that he has 'run his race' and 'over-come' the wicked one who rules this fallen, decaying world'...

Do you not believe that all born again people have a warfare going on inside of them as Paul explains in the Galation letter?

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you are in great 'error', after true and real 'conversion', acknowledging/over-coming our 'old, sinful nature becomes our
top priority, our desire to 'over-come' and to please and obey our Saviour...

you may still want to go your own way' but a 'true convert' will only live to serve and obey their Master, Jesus Christ,
and walk in the ways that He has set before His called, chosen, elect...

you come across as an 'adversary'!

after I immediately responded to this post, ie, FGC, it wasn't but a mili-second that they/he/she, responded -
another words, as soon as I hit the 'posts reply button, their response appeared 'immediately', another words
'before it could be naturally read' -
there just couldn't have been enough time...

what is going-on 'here'???

ug, blue, what's your 'take' on this???

i noticed you quoted my post


do you have any questions about it?

ahhh i noticed i said "would should"

i mean "would show"

AMEN AMEN AND AGAIN..I SAY AMEN..HUGS N KISSES BY GEORGE SOMEONE GETS IT! Lol

So, are you rejecting what Paul said? All scripture must harmonize, we can not ignore any of them.

I'ts not a question, but a statement, Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Are you saying that you walk in his ways all of the time?

Lol.. If so..i want the pill THEYRE taking

Ok..agreed with you for the most part..but we get "SAVED" by our CHOICE (to accept or reject ...after that..readung the Bible..learning how we should and SUBMITTING to God our sinful ways..only THEN can God start transforming us..some people dont like to submit certain areas of thier lives or arent "convicted" about areas in thier lives..thats between them and God..but "by thier fruits you shall know them"...no fruit.."sick" heart..AND NO..not saying that if we arent producing fruit we arent SAVED ..but biblically it talks about "pruning' tooo..OUCH..lol

I'm asking you the same question I ask everybody. I want the hear a testimony of how they came to know Christ. It has been my experience that many have an intellectual knowledge but have never experienced a John 16:8-11 moving of the Holy Spirit in their life.

I would like to know if you are a Christian. Unbelievers cannot be discipled they must first come to a saving knowledge of Christ.

I am always concerned about folks that are reluctant to give a yes answer to the salvation question.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ps..

You hit the nail on the head with your last statement by salvation is not a reward (which suggests that salvation isnt earned by good works..KUDOS). Bevause we love Jesus..we try and do what pleases him..we fall short many times..but like you said..we get up and perservere..we will NEVER be ,good enough" in our lifetime..n our human bodies to be in the physical presence of God..hence..heart mind..soul transformation..lifelong! We just gotta enjoy the "journey..both good and bad..and TRUST GOD that EVERYTHING is for our BEST...i DO also believe that God gives us free will and ALLOWS things to happen in our lives even though thats not His choice for us..He neither manipulates or begs us..He wants us willing to accept and love him..and will sometimes patiently wait but always persues His children!

I wish I had more time to dialogue with you, but, unfortunately, I don't! I would love to look at Scriptures and discuss this concept in more detail . . . I like your attitude and seriousness . . . but here in a few sentences is a summary of my thinking . . .

I will comment on this comment you made: "Like I have said, "most of the salvation scriptures are talking about being delivered while we are here on earth", so, there is a salvation by works (which is here on earth) and there is a salvation eternally by God's grace apart from man's works."

(1) No problem with your differentiation of two kinds of salvation Scriptures - good insight, though I don't think it is nearly as clear as you are saying it is . . .

(2) Anytime you say "salvation by works" on CC you are going to get an immediate and loud reaction and most of the people here will shut you off immediately as a heretic and a works-salvationist. I think a careful reading of what you are saying shows this is not what you are, though!

(3) I understand you as saying that if we obey Christ in our daily lives that this will deliver us physically while we are here on earth.

(4) In response to #3, I think you are right that the way that one lives will have a direct effect on one's life on Earth. This is true even for an unbeliever.

(5) The problem is that the two "salvations" are not as easily separable as you imply. By what you say, thus if we live right on Earth and do all the good works we can and should we will be "delivered" here on Earth - hence - the believer if he is obedient will not have problems, sickness, persecution, etc. - now I don't know if you believe that or not, but it is a direct corollary of the teaching you are promoting here.

(6) I do not believe that the Christian if he is obedient will not have sickness, difficulties, or persecution. It is always our faith in Christ and not our works that are the core of our relationship with the Saviour.

(7) So, yes, works are important, and the believer who does works will find positive results in this life here on Earth, but those works come out of his faith in Christ, which still makes all the positive results because of Jesus Christ.

i disagree

i believe we are saved by grace through faith

not choice

i didnt CHOOSE to believe Jesus is my Lord and savior

nor do i CHOOSE to continue to believe it

i dont CHOOSE to believe what is true

i just choose to seek truth

no matter how much i want
i cannot choose to believe i am saved by cheddar cheese

to me that is ridiculous

i cannot choose to believe i can fly


now being honest about what i believe is a choice

like when peter lied to save his own skin before the crows

he knew what he believed

he just chose to lie