What must I do to be saved

youre conflating two points


we are justified by faith

not deeds

this is what im calling him out on


i encourage seeking deliverance from any sin

i wish for us all to be shining examples and witnesses


but youre very confused if you think youre not defending a works salvationist right now


he is lying about the bible and
saying "not sinning" is what saves in a thread called what must i do to be saved

and youre acting as if when i call this lie out im justifying sin <- youre either confused (which is what i believe the case to be) and making a straw man

or falsely accusing me with your original reply to me


i like you lol
we have spoken a lot
but i wont bend the truth or dance around the issue at hand

we are justified by faith

Jesus never preached a Schizophrenic Bi Polar Gospel, where you perpetually lose your salvation and then gain it again. That would make Christ weak and incapable of assuring us of salvation, because we could die while we don't abide for that moment and lose our salvation

I don't think she's qualifying 'not abiding in him' as not being saved. When we rest in Christ we have power over sin. When we don't rest in Christ we don't have power over sin.

Our faith is counted to us as righteousness.
To have faith is to trust.
To abide is to remain in, gain endurance and keep having that trust.
The result of that abiding is to become more and more like our Lord.
We believe/trust/abide in that trust to the saving of our souls.
We run a race to win it. When we stumble we get up and run again.
It's a race to keep trusting and to trust more and more and to run longer and longer periods of time without stumbling. Why focus on the stumbling when we know if we stumble we have an advocate?

The main thing is that she accept the fact that every single saved person will continue to sin every day of their lives until they drop dead

Jesus never preached a Schizophrenic Bi Polar Gospel, where you perpetually lose your salvation and then gain it again. That would make Christ weak and incapable of assuring us of salvation, because we could die while we don't abide for that moment and lose our salvation

...where you perpetually lose your salvation and then gain it again.

im focusing on the man who is pushing a false gospel in hopes to correct his error and you defend him


how is saying we are saved by grace through faith "focusing on stumbling" in a thread called what must i do to be saved where you defend a sinless perfectionist <- says ones own walk saves them as opposed to Christs

Our faith is counted to us as righteousness.
To have faith is to trust.
To abide is to remain in, gain endurance and keep having that trust.
The result of that abiding is to become more and more like our Lord.
We believe/trust/abide in that trust to the saving of our souls.
We run a race to win it. When we stumble we get up and run again.
It's a race to keep trusting and to trust more and more and to run longer and longer periods of time without stumbling. Why focus on the stumbling when we know if we stumble we have an advocate?

I've never used this phrase in my entire life but...that's a strawman!

You have given a thumbs down to this post NNM. Which part of it do you think is not true?

Only because every single saved person will not continue to rest perfectly in Christ every day of their lives. I think she knows this.

It's pushing a false gospel to say God has promised that if we abide in Him we don't sin?

You have given a thumbs down to this post NNM. Which part of it do you think is not true?

to say if a born again believer sins that
he/she loses their salvation

is a false statement

She's not using 'not abiding' to mean 'not saved', and 'abiding' to mean 'saved'.

If you believe that you're sinless we have nothing to discuss

It's pushing a false gospel to say God has promised that if we abide in Him we don't sin?

he is a sinless perfectionist that says any 1 sin = unsaved

she defends him