The Law

Do you think that is so? That we become obedient after we are saved?
What of Acts of the Apostles and chapter 2? Peter is in Jerusalem and speaking to thousands gathered. He and the 11 other Apostles are there.
Many in the crowd become convicted of their part in Messiahs death.

Acts of the Apostles Chapter 2
32 So Jesus is the One whom God raised from the dead. And we are all witnesses to this. 33 Jesus was ·lifted up to heaven and is now at [L exalted to] God’s right ·side [L hand; C a position of highest honor beside the king]. The Father has given the Holy Spirit to Jesus as he promised. So Jesus has poured out that Spirit, and this is what you now see and hear. 34 David was not the one who ·was lifted up [went up; ascended] to heaven, but he said:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit by me at my right ·side [L hand; v. 33],
35 until I ·put your enemies under your control [L make your enemies a footstool for your feet; Ps. 110:1].”’
36 “·So [Therefore], all the ·people [L house] of Israel should know this ·truly [with certainty]: God has made Jesus—the man you ·nailed to the cross [crucified]—both Lord and ·Christ [Messiah].”

37 When the people heard this, they ·felt guilty [were deeply distressed; L were cut/pierced to the heart] and asked Peter and the other apostles, “What shall we do, ·brothers [L men, brothers]?”

38 Peter said to them, “·Change your hearts and lives [Repent] and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 [L For] This promise is for you, for your children, and for all who are far away [C both in space and time; may refer to Gentiles and/or Jews scattered outside the land of Israel]. It is for everyone the Lord our God calls to himself [Joel 2:32].” "

Isn't Peter teaching there that obedience begins with doing what Jesus said to do in order to change a persons heart and life?
When someone obeys that teaching and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit they then are led to obey God. Because the Holy Spirit is taking over their life as the old life and self that was dead in its sin is no longer present. That repentant, baptized, Holy Spirit filled person is a new creation that is washed clean of death. Clean of sins. And now they are in relationship with the Holy Spirit and are able to do many wonderful things with the Spirit present within.

"40 Peter ·warned [testified to] them with many other ·words [arguments]. He ·begged [pleaded with; exhorted; urged] them, “Save yourselves from ·the evil of today’s people [L this corrupt/crooked/perverse generation]!” 41 Then those people who accepted what Peter said were baptized. About three thousand ·people [souls] were added to the number of believers that day. 42 They ·spent [devoted] their time learning the apostles’ teaching, ·sharing [fellowship], breaking bread [C this may refer to a meal as in v. 46, or to the Lord’s Supper; Luke 22:14–20], and praying together. "

I've not seen the boasting that you are talking about, quite the contrary, I'm feeling
that the ones whose hearts belong to Jesus are unbelievably grateful to Him and
are filled with gratitude that He has made it possible for them to grow up and
step-up the ladder into His New World -

I've yet to see one person declare that 'obedience' is what saves them -
if I have missed someone saying such a thing, then of course they should be
prayed for...

you seem to want to 'stir-up', and cause people to doubt!

I have news for you, those who Christ has called, will always display their gratitude
in many ways, and confidence is one of them...

Most folks here dissagree with me when I mention that salvation is a gift and we contribute a big fat zero to it. They argue that we need to repent and believe and obey. They don't accept that it's the work of god from start to finish, including giving you repentance, fait and obedience.
I've found most want claim some of the glory for themselves

Bottom line, the law had one purpose and that was to show that we could not purify ourselves. The law is like a mirror that shows our filth and that only through Jesus we can be made clean.

The Bible teaches that we contributed nothing to our salvation, a person who was born dead in sin has no capacity to chose to believe in Jesus. The Bible teaches that salvation is all the work of God, we contributed nothing. We hated God and we never would have given our lives to Him if He didn't cause us to, in the first palace.

We must believe God.
We must aknowledge our need for the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

More Calvinistic propaganda. Looks like you have really been ensnared by this pseudo-Gospel.

We don't "contribute" to our salvation. However we must OBEY the Gospel. And God does not do the obeying for us.

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? (Rom 10:16).

So two important questions for you:

1. Must sinners obey they Gospel, or can they simply glide into Heaven?

2. Did God do the obeying for you, or did you personally obey the Gospel?

Why do you think that the most intelligent people of all time rejected the Gospel and they refused to believe.

You did not respond to those specific questions which were asked. Never mind about going off on a tangent. Stick with the subject and stick with the focus.

So two important questions for you:

1. Must sinners obey the Gospel, or can they simply glide into Heaven?

2. Did God do the obeying for you, or did you personally obey the Gospel?

Sinners can not obey the Gospel

Do we believe before we are saved or after, if we believe before then why do some believe and others don't.

If belief comes down to an individuals intelligence where by he believes because he has used his understanding of things to arrive at the decision to believe after careful evaluation of the available facts.

This is not what the Bible teaches, it teaches that "smart" people reject the Gospel, they find it foolish to give your life away to some dead Jew from 2000 years ago.

The things of God are foolishness to the natural man, spiritual things are spiritually discerned, only God can give a carnal man the gift of faith to illuminate him with the truth.

Because the conviction of the Holy Spirit can be resisted by some, and many do resist the conviction of the Holy Spirit..

Acts 7: KJV
51 "¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."




Intelligence has nothing to do with being saved.. It is a moral conviction that moves people.. Ones intellectual abilities gives one no advantage when it comes to the Message of the Gospel.. The Holy Spirit causes us to understand what we need to understand when we need to understand it..




No.. The Bible teaches that many people with worldly wisdom reject the Message of God, But not all....

1 Corinthians 1 KJV
26 "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: {27} But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"



As i said before indeed the Holy Spirit convicts so salvation comes from God, But as the Bible says many are called few are chosen.. If all that where called where chosen then the Bible would not declare this.. So the call of the Holy Spirit is resistible by those who hate the love of the truth..

Matthew 22: KJV
14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

I'll stick with what Paul said: "I myself am not under the Law." (1 Corinthians (9:20)

We live under the law of Christ, which is simply acknowledging that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us. (Galatians 3:13)

If you live under the law as Christ told us, you live under the law as God the Father told it. Christ said He did not change anything, but whatever was told of Him in scripture He fulfilled it exactly as it was told to us. The people who lived at the same time Christ lived with us as a man did not believe that but we know it is true. Christ did not end anything, Christ and the blessings we have from the law is alive and well. People who believe that and live by the guidance of the law have inner peace and many blessings right here where we live.

Secular, worldly people go to self help books to read about what we know of God. They don't realize that what they are told to do for successful living is what the Christians who knows to study the law understand.

The curse of the law is that if we break it we die. If we live under grace we may go to Christ for salvation. Salvation from our sins requires repentance.

True , not one person on this earth has kept the law except Jesus . That is the very reason we need Jesus' saving grace.
When the law flows through us it kills us.

Most folks here dissagree with me when I mention that salvation is a gift and we contribute a big fat zero to it. They argue that we need to repent and believe and obey. They don't accept that it's the work of god from start to finish, including giving you repentance, fait and obedience.
I've found most want claim some of the glory for themselves

Can't we thank our Lord for the guidance the law gives us, the blessings that is given us for keeping it, and at the same time understand that salvation is a gift?

Salvation isn't something we work for at all and then we are done with Christ. Salvation is a beginning to a wonderful life we live under His law, the same law His Father gave us.

So did GOD move your fingers to type that?