Why so much confusion about salvation?
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Here's the scripture regarding being born dead in sin:
Eph 2:1) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Col 2:13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Being born dead in sin does not mean we cannot choose to believe on Jesus Christ.
Eph 2:1) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Col 2:13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Being born dead in sin does not mean we cannot choose to believe on Jesus Christ.
You missed the elephant in the room again. The scripture says that we are all born dead in our sins, as dead people we don't have the ability to repent. We love our sins way too much to surrender our lives to a God we don't even believe in. No smart natural man will ever believe in God, because he is born carnal and he cannot receive spiritual things. they are utter foolishness until God opens your spiritual eyes.
That's where you're wrong.
God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11).
"The fool says in his heart 'there is no God'". Also, see Rom 1.
Lots of smart natural men have believed in God.
There are many aspects of spiritual truths that people cannot understand without having the spirit. But ANYONE can choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11).
"The fool says in his heart 'there is no God'". Also, see Rom 1.
Lots of smart natural men have believed in God.
There are many aspects of spiritual truths that people cannot understand without having the spirit. But ANYONE can choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
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If you want to be a Calvinist, fine....
But God hath decreed that I do not believe Calvinism is true. Who are you to fight what God hath decreed?
But God hath decreed that I do not believe Calvinism is true. Who are you to fight what God hath decreed?
Yes, we are all born dead in our sins and God chose to give some of us repentance, faith and salvation. We never would have chosen any of these if god simply left us dead in our sins like he does with the other 90% of the worlds population. You can't appreciate how blesses you are if you're truly saved.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
2889 [e] kosmon κόσμον, world, N-AMS
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
2889 [e] kosmon κόσμον, world, N-AMS
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
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and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
2889 [e] kosmou κόσμου. world. N-GMS
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
2889 [e] kosmou κόσμου. world. N-GMS
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
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That is an outrageous statement.
God and Christ do not fail. But sinners who fail to obey the Gospel fail to be saved.
There are two conditions that God has placed on receiving His salvation -- repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. One of them is mentioned in the next verse:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
How can you then talk about God's failure?
So if you do not believe the words of Christ as recorded in the Bible, then you are facing a very BIG PROBLEM.
God and Christ do not fail. But sinners who fail to obey the Gospel fail to be saved.
There are two conditions that God has placed on receiving His salvation -- repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. One of them is mentioned in the next verse:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
How can you then talk about God's failure?
So if you do not believe the words of Christ as recorded in the Bible, then you are facing a very BIG PROBLEM.
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