GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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And as I have said time and again you will not find specific instructions or commands in the NT as we had in the Old where LAW ruled !
NOW we are in the period of Grace and Pardon we are expected to respond to the Will of God in loving obedience because of HIS love for us !
Now LOVE rules and it needs no commands ! When you are WALKING with Yashua as His Disciple you just go where HE goes out of love for Him !!!
and more so....you will consider it an honour and privilege to be given opportunity to do so !!!
NOW we are in the period of Grace and Pardon we are expected to respond to the Will of God in loving obedience because of HIS love for us !
Now LOVE rules and it needs no commands ! When you are WALKING with Yashua as His Disciple you just go where HE goes out of love for Him !!!
and more so....you will consider it an honour and privilege to be given opportunity to do so !!!
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Galatians 3:19 doesn't say 'works of the Law' were added. Galatians 3:19 says "the Law" was added.
let's not change the text.
the promise of coming of the seed was first given in Genesis 3:15
before Genesis 3 in the text there is one command recorded as given to man:
when Abraham then asked, how will i know? ((asking for surety for the promise God made)) he is at that time commanded
all of which but the birds he cut in two. he waited. carrion came and he drove them away. he fell asleep.
then, at that time the LORD gave him another command:
and confirmed the promise He had already made. ((♥))
the first sin of the children of Israel recorded after leaving Egypt is in Exodus 14:
they doubted.
the Pillar of cloud and fire was before them all this time, day and night ((re: Exodus 13:22)), but they grumbled and were afraid of Pharaoh, and of death.
Moses at that time gave them this command:
stand;
see the salvation of the LORD
let's not change the text.
the promise of coming of the seed was first given in Genesis 3:15
before Genesis 3 in the text there is one command recorded as given to man:
From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.
(Genesis 2:16-17)
the promise that the seed would come through Abraham was given in Genesis 15:4-6. no prerequisite is given to Abraham at that time, but 'he believed God, and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.' when Abraham then asked, how will i know? ((asking for surety for the promise God made)) he is at that time commanded
“Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
(Genesis 15:9)
all of which but the birds he cut in two. he waited. carrion came and he drove them away. he fell asleep.
then, at that time the LORD gave him another command:
Know for certain
(Genesis 15:13)
and confirmed the promise He had already made. ((♥))
the first sin of the children of Israel recorded after leaving Egypt is in Exodus 14:
As Pharaoh drew near, the sons of Israel looked, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them, and they became very frightened; so the sons of Israel cried out to the LORD. Then they said to Moses,
“Is it because there were no graves in Egypt that you have taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you dealt with us in this way, bringing us out of Egypt?
“Is this not the word that we spoke to you in Egypt, saying, ‘Leave us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness.”
(Exodus 14:10-12)
they doubted.
the Pillar of cloud and fire was before them all this time, day and night ((re: Exodus 13:22)), but they grumbled and were afraid of Pharaoh, and of death.
Moses at that time gave them this command:
“Do not fear! Stand by and see the salvation of the LORD which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you will never see them again forever.
“The LORD will fight for you while you keep silent.”
(Exodus 14:13-14)
do not fear; stand;
see the salvation of the LORD
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“Do not fear! Stand by and see the salvation of the LORD which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you will never see them again forever. “The LORD will fight for you while you keep silent.”
(Exodus 14:13-14)
do not fear;
stand;
see the salvation of the LORD
(Exodus 14:13-14)
do not fear;
stand;
see the salvation of the LORD
this sounds a little bit like
"REST IN HIM!"
doesn't it?
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That is not what the post stated.
Here it is again. Please show me where that is stated like you say and I will repent and ask for forgiveness of GOD and you all.
He is referring to those Sabbaths and feast days contained in the Book of the Law. Not the Sabbath to which is mandated in the Decalogue.
It is the handwriting to the ordinances to which he speaks. And only those that were against. Not all that Moses was given to share were against us. Most of it was for are betterment. Those which GOD gave Moses to pen in the Book of the Law that dealt with when we sinned were against us; the judgments. For they condemned us. Some other statutes pertaining to feast days and what not pointed to Christ or were fulfilled in Christ. The Decalogue was not against us and was not the handwriting to the ordinances, the Book of the Law was. And as was said only the judgments when we sinned were against us not the laws and statutes to which showed us what sin was.
Please also notice that verse 13 ends with the fact that we have been quickened together with Him having been forgiven all trespasses. That clause there shows us there is no more a need for the judgments that were against us and that were contrary to us for we have been forgiven already. It sets the context to what follows.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(Col 2:13-15)
Here it is again. Please show me where that is stated like you say and I will repent and ask for forgiveness of GOD and you all.
He is referring to those Sabbaths and feast days contained in the Book of the Law. Not the Sabbath to which is mandated in the Decalogue.
It is the handwriting to the ordinances to which he speaks. And only those that were against. Not all that Moses was given to share were against us. Most of it was for are betterment. Those which GOD gave Moses to pen in the Book of the Law that dealt with when we sinned were against us; the judgments. For they condemned us. Some other statutes pertaining to feast days and what not pointed to Christ or were fulfilled in Christ. The Decalogue was not against us and was not the handwriting to the ordinances, the Book of the Law was. And as was said only the judgments when we sinned were against us not the laws and statutes to which showed us what sin was.
Please also notice that verse 13 ends with the fact that we have been quickened together with Him having been forgiven all trespasses. That clause there shows us there is no more a need for the judgments that were against us and that were contrary to us for we have been forgiven already. It sets the context to what follows.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
(Col 2:13-15)
you're breaking the Law into two pieces, correct?
"the decalogue"
vs.
"the handwriting to the ordinances"
"the 10 commandments"
vs.
"the book of the Law"
& you're saying 'the book of the Law' is what is against us, not 'the decalogue' right?
the foundation of all the Law is not in the 10 commandments. it's in 'the other part'
which part should we be trying to avoid being nailed to the cross?
for your argument to work maybe you need it to be broken into more than two pieces, i think.
"the decalogue"
vs.
"the handwriting to the ordinances"
"the 10 commandments"
vs.
"the book of the Law"
& you're saying 'the book of the Law' is what is against us, not 'the decalogue' right?
the foundation of all the Law is not in the 10 commandments. it's in 'the other part'
which part should we be trying to avoid being nailed to the cross?
for your argument to work maybe you need it to be broken into more than two pieces, i think.
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also i think that argument needs the Bible to say things like "sin shall have no more dominion over you, because you are under Law without some of the statues and ordinances" or "because you are not under ordinances but Law with some statutes but not others" etc
. . instead of what it really says.
that you'd kinda have to change the words in the scripture all over the place to make that fit.
this is the impression i get, anyway. 500 pages haven't changed that impression.
i believe God's salvation is greater than what that argument portrays it to be, and am unconvinced that un-fiddled-with scripture supports it.
. . instead of what it really says.
that you'd kinda have to change the words in the scripture all over the place to make that fit.
this is the impression i get, anyway. 500 pages haven't changed that impression.
i believe God's salvation is greater than what that argument portrays it to be, and am unconvinced that un-fiddled-with scripture supports it.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
(Deu 30:10-16 KJV)
GOD says in verse 10, "To keep the Commandments and Statutes which are written in the Book of the Law."
Then HE goes on to say, that the above Commandment to keep the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law is not far from us; but the word (HIS Commandments and Statutes; the voice of the LORD) is nigh unto to us; in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it.
In the above text GOD segregates the Book of the Law into three parts. Commandments, Statutes and Judgments.
Please take notice that the judgments are not included to that which is in our hearts and mouths only the commandments and statutes.
God excludes them.
(Deu 30:10-16 KJV)
GOD says in verse 10, "To keep the Commandments and Statutes which are written in the Book of the Law."
Then HE goes on to say, that the above Commandment to keep the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law is not far from us; but the word (HIS Commandments and Statutes; the voice of the LORD) is nigh unto to us; in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it.
In the above text GOD segregates the Book of the Law into three parts. Commandments, Statutes and Judgments.
Please take notice that the judgments are not included to that which is in our hearts and mouths only the commandments and statutes.
God excludes them.
so you're breaking the Law into 4 parts?
ten commandments, ((other)) commandments, statutes, and judgements ?
what does "you are not under Law but grace" mean now, we're under commandments, 10 commandments, statutes but nut under judgements?
which particular disassembled bits is the Bible talking about when it says "the Law" ?
what is nailed to the cross? only judgements?
judgements and sacrificial statutes but not other statutes?
judgements and certain ((but not all)) statutes and certain ((but not all)) ordinances?
some commandments but not others?
is Romans 7 supposed to say, "know ye not brethren (for I speak to them that know the Law) that the judgements and certain of the statutes hath dominion over a man so long as he liveth but the commandments, especially 10 of them, particularly the 4th, some statutes and definitely the ordinances follow after the grave" ?
the example in verse 2 is a woman bound to her husband by the Law only so long as he lives.
is marriage a judgement?
is marriage a Levitical priesthood duty?
is it blood atonement sacrifice?
a statute?
an ordinance?
a law?
a commandment?
faith?
ten commandments, ((other)) commandments, statutes, and judgements ?
what does "you are not under Law but grace" mean now, we're under commandments, 10 commandments, statutes but nut under judgements?
which particular disassembled bits is the Bible talking about when it says "the Law" ?
what is nailed to the cross? only judgements?
judgements and sacrificial statutes but not other statutes?
judgements and certain ((but not all)) statutes and certain ((but not all)) ordinances?
some commandments but not others?
is Romans 7 supposed to say, "know ye not brethren (for I speak to them that know the Law) that the judgements and certain of the statutes hath dominion over a man so long as he liveth but the commandments, especially 10 of them, particularly the 4th, some statutes and definitely the ordinances follow after the grave" ?
the example in verse 2 is a woman bound to her husband by the Law only so long as he lives.
is marriage a judgement?
is marriage a Levitical priesthood duty?
is it blood atonement sacrifice?
a statute?
an ordinance?
a law?
a commandment?
faith?
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No GOD did. He said through Moses,
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
(Deu 30:10-16 KJV)
GOD says in verse 10, "To keep the Commandments and Statutes which are written in the Book of the Law."
Then HE goes on to say, that the above Commandment to keep the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law is not far from us; but the word (HIS Commandments and Statutes; the voice of the LORD) is nigh unto to us; in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it.
In the above text GOD segregates the Book of the Law into three parts not me. Commandments, Statutes and Judgments.
Please take notice that the judgments are not included to that which is in our hearts and mouths only the commandments and statutes.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
(Deu 30:10-16 KJV)
GOD says in verse 10, "To keep the Commandments and Statutes which are written in the Book of the Law."
Then HE goes on to say, that the above Commandment to keep the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law is not far from us; but the word (HIS Commandments and Statutes; the voice of the LORD) is nigh unto to us; in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it.
In the above text GOD segregates the Book of the Law into three parts not me. Commandments, Statutes and Judgments.
Please take notice that the judgments are not included to that which is in our hearts and mouths only the commandments and statutes.
You say: there is no excuse for sin through Christ
Through Him we can do all things because He strengthens us.
1. No excuse for sin through Christ.
A. What is that mean?
B. After accepting Christ, is that mean everything you do through Christ?
2. Through Him we can do all things because He strengthens us
A. You can do all thing, is that mean you can life a Holy live, no sin any more after accepting Jesus?
That why I ask you a question base of your statement above
Do you believe after accepting Christ, He will strengthen you to the point that you never sin anymore?
Through Him we can do all things because He strengthens us.
1. No excuse for sin through Christ.
A. What is that mean?
B. After accepting Christ, is that mean everything you do through Christ?
2. Through Him we can do all things because He strengthens us
A. You can do all thing, is that mean you can life a Holy live, no sin any more after accepting Jesus?
That why I ask you a question base of your statement above
Do you believe after accepting Christ, He will strengthen you to the point that you never sin anymore?
Goodness. Of course the Law is not faith. However do you abolish the law through faith?
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
You may need to re-read your bible. If you continue in sin then you are still under the law (Romans 3:19-20).
God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments and just like all the commandments if we break any one of these we stand before God guilty of sin.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
You may need to re-read your bible. If you continue in sin then you are still under the law (Romans 3:19-20).
God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments and just like all the commandments if we break any one of these we stand before God guilty of sin.
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2 Corinthians 3:7 explicitly says that GOD abolished (καταργέω - rendered useless) the 10 commandments.
1 John 3:4 says that sin is lawlessness, not transgression of the law of Moses. Lawlessness is not obeying the words of Christ.
You're reasoning is flawed. You say sin is breaking the law, and then say we are under the law if we sin. But we can't break law we are not under (Romans 6:14), and doing a sin doesn't put us under law because we are dead to the law through Christ (Romans 7:4).
1 John 3:4 says that sin is lawlessness, not transgression of the law of Moses. Lawlessness is not obeying the words of Christ.
You're reasoning is flawed. You say sin is breaking the law, and then say we are under the law if we sin. But we can't break law we are not under (Romans 6:14), and doing a sin doesn't put us under law because we are dead to the law through Christ (Romans 7:4).
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