Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

The first churches after Christ were called The Way. Constantine established churches more like our church today. The Way died out after only 500 years. It was a church closer to Christ. They did not question God about whether He wanted those who worship Him to praise Him with the feasts. Christ celebrated them, so did they.

People in the HRM are simply people studying scripture and anyone who believes the OT is valid for us has that label put on them. That label includes people who misuse the Jewish rituals, or people who just join a church.

This "movement" came after the dead sea scrolls were analyzed. That opened up ways of reading old languages and understanding the culture scripture was written in. When that culture was understood it meant that they knew what the words meant to people of that span of time scripture was written in.

God gave His ways to the people He chose to put them down, but those people used their meanings to write what God said. In our language today we have mouse, net, gay, over the rainbow and such. In their day there were words that meant different than we understand them. As an example "Law of Moses". We think that is the ten commandments, but if we know the way people is Christ's time used those words, they don't mean the law as Moses gave it on the stone tablets.

So after those findings from the deep sea caves were analyzed, after 1947, scholars and ancient history professors began letting us know of what they found.

Now, the challenge is for the churches to sort out what is religion and what is understanding God.

I spent several months gathering information on each of the councils after the year 400 and reading what the councils decided about the church. They said the pope could tell them what God wanted of them and often they did not follow scripture but a worldly pope. Today's churches follow much of what was decided by these councils.

The first churches after Christ were called The Way. Constantine established churches more like our church today. The Way died out after only 500 years. It was a church closer to Christ. They did not question God about whether He wanted those who worship Him to praise Him with the feasts. Christ celebrated them, so did they.

I could care less what you do. The question was should people remember the feast I say yes it behoves a Christian to. It brings you to a closeness with G-d. It just does. If you do or don't that is between you and Him.... I do not know anyone going to Hell for not doing it.

I originally said we Jews do it but I think they everyone should and I gave reasons why. I would die before I ever said a Hail Mary but many Christians still do and that is blasphemous nor is Christmas or Easter even Biblical but, most, Christians do not care about that.

The point is if someone wants to celebrate them, even Non-Jews, they should and NO ONE SHOULD MAKE THEM WRONG FOR DOING SO!!! Are the feast not in Scripture and even Messiah celebrated them!?! I'll wish a Merry Christmas and Happy Easter and let G-d deal with people the pray to Mary!!!!

Do you think that when scripture speaks of Israel God meant for us not to listen? In Zech. 8:23 we are told that the time will come when we realize that God favors the Jews and we will go to them to learn how to live so we have God's favor. According to statistics about education, wealth, and honors God favors them and it is not because of their race but because of how devoted they are to God's ways.

Scripture tells us that God established the Hebrew race for our sakes, we are to learn of God through them. There is even scripture telling us that God blinded them to Christ for our sake.

God was deep into symbolism and entire Passover is about how we were rescued from sin by Christ. That is enough new covenant that even the people who believe God took away the relationship He established with the old covenant when God gave us Christ surely accepts that. When we celebrate Passover we are celebrating Christ. That is true of Jews, also except they say He is still to come.

But I am certain that when God gave us the OT it was to all the people He created. Skin color, belonging in any nation we have made, or who our parents are does not matter to God, He is the God of creation and the scripture God gave to us is for all--every part of it.

Actually, the feasts were given to Israel to celebrate different aspects of their history, and relationship with God, who gave them deliverance and providence. We see then that when Israel celebrated these feasts it was not with the Messiah in mind or in focus, but upon what God had done for them. So, while they indeed are a shadow of what would be fulfilled in Christ, they were not celebrated for that function (that they served as; as a shadow).

Its funny how Christmas and Easter are considered pagan holidays in origin and how we are not to celebrate them based upon origin, but hypocritically those in the HRM want to celebrate God's feasts contrary to their origin. Israel celebrated what God did for them previously, not what God was going to do through Christ (at least intellectually). So for us to super-impose our understanding of these feasts as shadows (which they were) and celebrate them with this understanding, we would be celebrating them contrary to the reason they were celebrated in the first place (as a remembrance of what God did for them previously, such as Passover).

How do we celebrate a feast that looks to the past (a specific event), and reconstruct it to celebrate a future event (that is now past for us), because it was a shadow of what was to come? In essence, we are rewriting the feasts in a way, though we understand it as a shadow, we also have to understand how and why Israel celebrated a particular feast (and in remembrance of what). How do we change their reasoning for a feast, and Christianize it (just like the pagan holidays, according to Hebrew Roots Movement), and then act as if Israel didn't celebrate, for example, Passover in remembrance of what happened in Egypt and covering the doorposts with blood, but instead celebrate the feast in knowing Christ to be the realization, the Passover Lamb?

Is this not ignoring origin and attempting to Christianize a feast, though it be a shadow? I don't dismiss the importance that such feasts foretold of the work of the Messiah, but they were celebrating and taking part of these feasts for very specific reasons. How do we remove these reasons, and replace them, without the hypocrisy of not considering origin?

While I am not equating God's feasts with pagan celebrations, I am trying to make a point that to consider origin means that we must understand why such a celebration took place. To not "Christianize" it, as is often the accusation. Does this not occur with the feasts? Celebrated originally for a specific reason but then changed, celebrated in remembrance of what Christ has done, thereby taking a shadow and still celebrating it, even though the fulfillment has come to pass? Doesn't Communion then take precedence, and instead of changing the original reason for the celebration of a feast, shouldn't we rather partake in Communion?

We acknowledge the shadow, and it pointing to Christ, but do we reinterpret the shadow so as to be able to observe it today, when that which it foretold of has "came in the flesh"? Why do we put ourselves back under the Law? To me this doesn't make sense.

Ask Your Lord if He is a Jew....

What is wrong with you prejudices people.... Give me your address I will send you a white robe and hood for Christmas!!! Or do you want to be in the next slaughter for being a Jew too...

THIS IS RIDICULOUS I HAVE TO DEFEND BEING A RACIAL JEW TO YOU PEOPLE.... Read my other text!

You are dismissing symbolism that God used as shadows, and not acknowledged the reality of what made the shadow.

Christ is the reality, what the shadow was shadow of. They celebrated that it was to come, but now Christ is with us it doesn't make sense that we should stop celebrating Him.

We celebrate Easter and say it is a celebration of the fact that He rose and proved that there was life after death. It is entirely man made. According to writings that are said to be from what Constantine wrote, it was to replace how the Jews celebrated Christ, or rather the Messiah. Passover celebrates Christ and our deliverance from sin and it is God made.

In order to put ourselves under the law we would have to tell Christ that we obeyed law so well, we lived such a perfect life that under the law Christ must go to God to save us for eternal life. Then we would use the law for our salvation. We are under grace with a system of repentance and going to Christ for our salvation, not law for our salvation. You cannot put yourself under the law through obedience that God asks for. We are obeying because we know obedience gives us a good life and because we love the Lord, not for salvation.

Actually, the feasts were given to Israel to celebrate different aspects of their history, and relationship with God, who gave them deliverance and providence. We see then that when Israel celebrated these feasts it was not with the Messiah in mind or in focus, but upon what God had done for them. So, while they indeed are a shadow of what would be fulfilled in Christ, they were not celebrated for that function (that they served as; as a shadow).

Its funny how Christmas and Easter are considered pagan holidays in origin and how we are not to celebrate them based upon origin, but hypocritically those in the HRM want to celebrate God's feasts contrary to their origin. Israel celebrated what God did for them previously, not what God was going to do through Christ (at least intellectually). So for us to super-impose our understanding of these feasts as shadows (which they were) and celebrate them with this understanding, we would be celebrating them contrary to the reason they were celebrated in the first place (as a remembrance of what God did for them previously, such as Passover).

How do we celebrate a feast that looks to the past (a specific event), and reconstruct it to celebrate a future event (that is now past for us), because it was a shadow of what was to come? In essence, we are rewriting the feasts in a way, though we understand it as a shadow, we also have to understand how and why Israel celebrated a particular feast (and in remembrance of what). How do we change their reasoning for a feast, and Christianize it (just like the pagan holidays, according to Hebrew Roots Movement), and then act as if Israel didn't celebrate, for example, Passover in remembrance of what happened in Egypt and covering the doorposts with blood, but instead celebrate the feast in knowing Christ to be the realization, the Passover Lamb?

Is this not ignoring origin and attempting to Christianize a feast, though it be a shadow? I don't dismiss the importance that such feasts foretold of the work of the Messiah, but they were celebrating and taking part of these feasts for very specific reasons. How do we remove these reasons, and replace them, without the hypocrisy of not considering origin?

While I am not equating God's feasts with pagan celebrations, I am trying to make a point that to consider origin means that we must understand why such a celebration took place. To not "Christianize" it, as is often the accusation. Does this not occur with the feasts? Celebrated originally for a specific reason but then changed, celebrated in remembrance of what Christ has done, thereby taking a shadow and still celebrating it, even though the fulfillment has come to pass? Doesn't Communion then take precedence, and instead of changing the original reason for the celebration of a feast, shouldn't we rather partake in Communion?

We acknowledge the shadow, and it pointing to Christ, but do we reinterpret the shadow so as to be able to observe it today, when that which it foretold of has "came in the flesh"? Why do we put ourselves back under the Law? To me this doesn't make sense.

Men have discovered the actual history of the times the Torah was written in. Our top scholars used this information to understand how present day beliefs evolved. We know more about the people of Egypt and the Amorites. Some scholars think our understanding will lead to peace. Christian scholars added this to their knowledge and what they taught about ancient Hebrew. The Christian church reacted much as the Pharisees reacted to Christ--they labeled it Hebrew Roots and went on the attack.

To help their attack of these historians, some people used this information in the wrong way so it gave them ammunition.

God gave the first five books of the bible, the Torah, to ALL of His creation. Then Noah's kids did not teach the Torah to their kids and people like Nimrod made up new ways to use the inborn desire of all men to know God. Every one of those nations had their own God with the actual God of all being shoved aside.

God took Abraham out of a pagan family and showed Him the real God. Time after time God told them to accept any if they wanted to join them, accept them with kindness and teach them His ways. That is true of us, we are as strangers to the people God set aside to know Him.

If you tell God that no, you absolutely will have nothing to do with anything God told them of Himself you are saying no to God and that is the same as sayin no to Christ.

God knew how the human mind worked, God knew they had to do something physical to keep reminding them to walk in His way. He gave circumcision, special diet, washing hands, etc to help them. He established a relationship (covenant) with them on MT Sinai. You are a stranger not a Hebrew, do you want to join with God? God says to welcome you and God will relate to you also.

Then God gave a new way God would relate (covenant) to us and Christ was born and was crucified. We ALL were given the Holy Spirit. If we listened to this spirit we wouldn't need physical things to remind us to live God's way, but we must listen to the Holy Spirit and act as we are directed.

In Galatians it speaks of these physical things God gave as reminders of God's ways and tells us we are to relate to God without them. We had better be sure that we don't throw out the Torah, also. What is thrown out are the physical ways the Holy Spirit takes over now. I don't see how your reason and listening to the Lord could lead you to say anyone is just choosing what to obey of God if he celebrates God's redemption plan for us. It is praise of the Lord, etc. It is reminding us of God's desire for us. It is reminding us to live for God for God created us.

Ummmm . . . Torah was not until Moses.

What's your source for the above information?

Yet the simplicity of the Good News of Christ says NOTHING of Torah observance/compliance/pursuance in order to be in Christ.

Believe in Christ. Receive the gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life.

It IS that simple.
-JGIG

This train of thought is key, because what modern law 'keepers' end up doing is keeping a law of their own creation instead of the Laws given by God at Sinai.

Not sure how this is pleasing to God . . .

-JGIG

One of the questions I have (for those of the HRM, and those learning from them) is, when the temple in 70 AD was destroyed, how could obedience to the Law be fulfilled if a portion of it is no longer capable of being obedient to? If it is a covenant, and in that covenant we are to sacrifice animals for sin, and now we are no longer able to do so, doesn't that make the covenant obsolete? Since if you fail in one part you fail in all of it, not upholding one part makes all of it crumble, no?

Its been said that while the Law of Moses is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you so. I think its so important to understand that morality doesn't sanctify us, God does.

One of the questions I have (for those of the HRM, and those learning from them) is, when the temple in 70 AD was destroyed, how could obedience to the Law be fulfilled if a portion of it is no longer capable of being obedient to? If it is a covenant, and in that covenant we are to sacrifice animals for sin, and now we are no longer able to do so, doesn't that make the covenant obsolete? Since if you fail in one part you fail in all of it, not upholding one part makes all of it crumble, no?

Its been said that while the Law of Moses is holy, just and good, it has no power to make you so. I think its so important to understand that morality doesn't sanctify us, God does.

I am told that I am of the HR, and I get my learning from scripture and scholars who study and they relate everything to scripture. I check everything they say with scripture. I use scholars specializing in bible because they direct my scripture reading and point to the many places bible explains a point. But I will answer your question best I can.

But the questions are silly. Scripture tells us not to sacrifice animals!!!!!! When Christ sacrificed for us as animals were a temporary symbol of, why would God ask for the symbol instead of using the blood of Jesus that He gave for us.

You are showing that you have not learned ab out the time Paul wrote in. You are calling the ten commandments the Law of Moses. Everyone knew that was the law the world was created with. They called the rituals the law of Moses.

Please check you bible to see if you can find any place that says the law saved. Use your concordance to see what is said about grace. Don't take any word from any source as true, look in scripture. Read the 119th psalm to get a complete picture of law.

I believe in honoring the feasts because God tells me to, I belong to God and it is up to me to do as He tells me. God does not save or not save based on our obedience to Him.

A covenant defines a relationship. A Hebrew of old times went to the home of a woman he wanted to marry to ask for her hand. If she said yes, the parents and the couple sat down to decide what the bride and groom would do for each other in the marriage. This was a covenant.

Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?

Yes, every meal you eat.

Following your line of thought, it was the law that all males had to observe the festivals in Jerusalem.

Yes, to 'you' it is simply unbelievable.

They are a commemoration of what God has done for his people, both before and after the cross. It's quite possible to observe them without the narrow uneducated view that they are only for trying to justify oneself before God. They are valuable illustrations of spiritual realities.

For example you can observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread by sweeping your house clean of all traces of leaven, all the while knowing it's an illustration of how the household of God (the people of God--individually and corporately) has been swept clean of the leaven of sin now that the Passover Lamb has been sacrificed (that Feast follows the Passover).

Can't grasp that mindset? Why not? You adopt that mindset every time you take communion knowing you're doing it as a commemoration of what Christ has done for you, not as some sort of work that wins anything for you from God. Apparently, Jesus himself finds value in acting out things that illustrate the reality of what God has done for us since he is the one who told us to continue the Passover (communion) tradition in an illustrative manner of what he has done on the cross for us.

When someone observes all the Mosaic Feast and Sabbath traditions for the same reason the rest of us observe Communion commanded by Jesus they are no more mocking Christ in their observances they we are in ours. Think about it.

What a cop out!!! It is a way of saying that no, won't celebrate the feasts the way God tells us to, I have my own way and I like my way better.