Not By Works

So you can keep throwing the "eisegesis" argument around, or you can answer my question:

I believe Scripture teaches that the one believing in Christ has eternal life, and the one not believing in Christ does not have eternal life.

Do you agree or disagree?

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, “Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear Yah and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! For Yah shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether righteous or whether evil.”

Of course I agree!!!!!!!

With this caveat; only in part and only in proper context.

I've already answered you. Hopefully the third time is a charm?

The one believing is converted. The one not believing isn't converted. It is only speaking of the converted and unconverted, that is the sense, that is the context.

And yes, you're eisegeting the text, so, I'll keep throwing that around because it's factual.

Sure you have....you do not believe in eternal security....many of your posts reek of lost salvation...just another cake taker.....

Read Leviticus 14. and see if you can find grace in it. I can see it.

If ever you meet my kids tell them will you that I have a sense of humour.

Thanks for the straight answer!

I think our disagreement is this:
I think it is possible for a person to stop believing and you believe it is not possible for a person to stop believing.

OK! I agree to disagree!

And now, please don't ask me any more good questions or make any more comments that get my blood running thick! Or else I will have to keep on answering, and then my wife won't like me any more, because I promised to get home a while back already! LOL!

OK, I am out of here! (Maybe!)

Thanks for the straight answer!

I think our disagreement is this:
I think it is possible for a person to stop believing and you believe it is not possible for a person to stop believing.

OK! I agree to disagree!

And now, please don't ask me any more good questions or make any more comments that get my blood running thick! Or else I will have to keep on answering, and then my wife won't like me any more, because I promised to get home a while back already! LOL!

OK, I am out of here! (Maybe!)

Sure! if you meet mine will you tell them that I have dollars of humor?

The text you've misused does not support your teaching.



How shall I sleep tonight?



When you drive home, keep repeating:

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Oh, you! You did it! I can't sleep for seven nights!

You don't realize I have taught many classes on proper Biblical exegesis . . . You sure know how to get my blood flowing

and now I have a mad wife . . . . . .

Hi star...1 Timothy 4:1King James Version (KJV)

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;...

It says here that some will depart from the faith, so depart must mean they were once in the faith...As I am walking with our LORD, I know the road gets narrower, and in some respects the walk becomes harder because we must pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus, and this means denying ourselves...So maybe this means that some were in the faith but found the cross to hard to bare so they gave up ...I am learning as I walk, just seeking answers, but like I said, they had faith which means they believed, have these people stopped believing, or have they lost their faith ...xox...

Those who believes in the Son has eternal life,but they must have the proper perspective of God,and His kingdom,for this to happen,or else their belief does not count.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal,let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

God is not mocked for whatever a person sows that shall they reap,and tells the saints to not be deceived by that.

Paul said awake to righteousness,and sin not,but some have not the knowledge of God,and he speaks that to their shame.

Jesus said whatever is in a person's heart that is what will come out,so if they speak sin,and do sin,then that is what is in their heart.

The person that does not do righteousness is not of God.

Lay aside every weight of sin that does so easily beset us.

Abstain from fleshy lusts that war against the soul.

Out of faith,hope,and charity,charity is the greatest,and charity is greater than faith,and faith works by love,and love is the fulfilling of the law.

Paul said that love does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,and is not selfish,and not arrogant,and not unkind,and only goes by their needs,and not their wants,and helps the poor and needy if possible.

Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have love he is nothing,and if a person believes that God blesses with money,and material things,for their wants,withdraw yourself from them,and they have erred from the faith,having food and clothing,be content.

James said if they do not have charity then their faith is dead.

John said if they do not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them,so let us not love in word only,but in deed and in truth.

The early Church had all things common,and shared,and sold all their things that was not a necessity,and gave to those that were in need,for that is love.

Love not the world,or the things in the world,if any person loves the world,or the things in the world,the love of the Father is not in them.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,the laws of love,moral laws.

If a person hates sin,and does not want sin,then by the Spirit they can abstain from sin,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections,and show the ways of the Spirit,and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

A Spirit led life will not sin,so they are not under the law,which the law cannot touch them for prosecution,but if they sin,and hold unto sin,then they are under the law,and the law can prosecute them,until they repent and are led of the Spirit.

Our belief does not count unless we have the proper perspective of God,and His kingdom,which God hates sin,and says sin separates us from Him,so for a person to hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God would give them an improper perspective of God,which by the Spirit they can abstain from sin if they do not want sin,and God's kingdom is love,so to go by your wants,enjoying money,and material things,and not caring about the poor and needy,would give a person the improper perspective of God's kingdom.

With the improper perspective of God and His Kingdom a person would be asserting their own ways,and authority,which is why God said to obey is better than sacrifice,for rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,and stubbornness is as iniquity,and idolatry.

Which the Bible says all our thoughts are to be to the obedience of Christ until are obedience is fulfilled,so we can revenge all disobedience,and Jesus said why call Him Lord if you do not do what He says,and if a person does not obey Jesus' commands then they do not love Him,and Jesus told His disciples to go out and teach people all that He commanded them.

We must have the proper perspective of God,and His kingdom,for our belief,love,and faith,to apply.

Which the Bible said some have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,which there are millions of people that hold unto sin,and believe the prosperity Gospel,and think they are right with God.

But then their belief does not count.

Those that believe in the Son has eternal life,but not all have the proper belief.

It should be a given when a person confesses Christ to abstain from sin,for they repent of their sins,and should be understood that they can receive the Spirit to abstain from sins,why would it take so long to understand that,and how can many people not come to that truth,but confess Christ,but do not truly repent,and believe they receive the Spirit,but do not abstain from sins.

I grew up being taught how much judgment there was in the OT. When I sat still and started reading with an open mind, I realized how much MORE grace was in the OT.

I grew up being taught how much judgment there was in the OT. When I sat still and started reading with an open mind, I realized how much MORE grace was in the OT.

Hi star...1 Timothy 4:1King James Version (KJV)

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;...

It says here that some will depart from the faith, so depart must mean they were once in the faith...As I am walking with our LORD, I know the road gets narrower, and in some respects the walk becomes harder because we must pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus, and this means denying ourselves...So maybe this means that some were in the faith but found the cross to hard to bare so they gave up ...I am learning as I walk, just seeking answers, but like I said, they had faith which means they believed, have these people stopped believing, or have they lost their faith ...xox...

Geneva Bible 1599

Not by the works of righteousness, which we had done, but according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of the new birth, and the renewing of the Holy Ghost.