What do you all think of J.D. Vance?

My beef initiating discussion here is with JD Vance's speech. Whether he is a good pick is a separate, though related question. My shock was that people were gaga for his speech that my household found to be void of any real depth or insight.

So much bearing false witness here I wouldn't know where to start.

"banned camp" would be a good place to start... IMO, of course.

We are agreed on this, but I have the same opinion about Israel. Billions down the drain for lost or devastated lives, all for the sake of keeping a godless bunch of Pharisees in power because they claim to be Jews (but are not).

Nehemiah6 said:

Supporting Israel is a totally different matter. Israel is surrounded by Muslim and Arab nations who vowed right from the start to exterminate Israelis and wipe out Israel. America was the only ally of Israel for decades until Obama and Biden came along.

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This is an Israeli lie (the wiping out of Israel). The only reason America has been the ally of the belligerent state of Israel for decades is that the legitimate president (Kennedy) was assassinated and replaced by those more supportive of the regime.

I thought most of the hostages were killed by Israel themselves.

Nehemiah6 said:

The real issue is that had Donald Trump rightfully remained as president, none of this would have happened.

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I think if Trump had stayed in power, this would not have happened. But from what I've seen of Trump, he has smarter ways of dealing with problems than war. This should be the norm rather than the exception.

Then why were the pro-Hamas protestors and everyone else shouting "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free"?

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” pro-Palestinian activists from London to Rome and Washington chanted in the volatile aftermath of Israel’s bloodiest day." AP News

So now you are deliberately telling an untruth about Israel.

The Israel we see today and on our maps today is the staging ground for the Antichrists'.

There is but one true Israel, and that is composed of allwho believe Yahweh, Yeshi Yah.

Having lived in Israel six months I know first hand that it could never be equated to the Israel of God...

We agree 100% on this.

Exactly. Wars resolve nothing, therefore the Cold War was the best deterrent to Soviet aggression. Under Trump -- and with the right advisers and cabinet -- the military strength of the USA should have been unsurpassed, but at the same time, diplomatic negotiations from a position of strength could resolve many issues.

Had Trump been president when Putin planned the Crimean invasion (which started everything else), he would (hopefully) have been put on notice that Russia, and particularly the Kremlin, would suffer grave consequences if he dared to invade another country. The same with Iran vs Israel.

I also doubt Trump would have continued to support NATO continue to breach the agreement previously made with Russia, whereby NATO was not to encroach ever closer to the Russian homeland. Thereby negating the main reason for Russian to invade Ukraine.

Please explain to me how a chant promoting freedom (as described) relates to the wiping out of any nation (including Israel), irrespective on which day it is chanted. Please also include in your explanation how your answer is consistent with Americans in 1776 embarking on freedom from British oppression, and how this aim was not consistent with wiping the United Kingdom "off the map", despite the associated bloodshed such aspirations would incur.

You are quick to throw the accusation of me telling untruths about Israel, but I suspect your answer to the above (or your inability to consistently do so) will simply expose that it is you telling untruths, against me, and on behalf of a godless and satanic state which you seem to defend irrespective of its crimes.

Yeah, gonna get his ticket punched for a one-way trip to Bansville.

Thou shalt not kill. Perhaps some people feel they are free of obeying this commandment. It should be inscribed upon the heart for any who believe Jesus Yeshua. Yet so many promote the same.

Nothing new under the sun.. the Lord corrected Simon Peter when he cut the guards ear.. peaceful resistance. We are not called to battle with swords. Our Faith is enough unto the end.

Same here.