Science Disproves Evolution
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Okay.I'd just clarify that I don't believe evolution happens godlessly just because we can understand it mechanically.
Please, ONE case where a certain species has mutated into another.
Should be easy.
(I sense the dead wings of a prehistoric bird she is going to say was a reptile) - Just a hunch....stay tuned.
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Species - a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g., Homo sapiens
a. Two strains of fruit flies lost the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring in the lab over a 4-year span ... i.e. they became two new species. (Easily repeated experiment.)
b. A new plant species (a type of firewood), created by a doubling of the chromosome count from the original stock (Mosquin, 1967).
c. Multiple species of the house mouse unique to the Faeroe Islands occurred within 250 years of introduction of a foundation species on the island.
d. Formation of 5 new species of cichlid fishes that have formed in a single lake within 4,000 years of introduction of a parent species.
e. Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a. Two strains of fruit flies lost the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring in the lab over a 4-year span ... i.e. they became two new species. (Easily repeated experiment.)
b. A new plant species (a type of firewood), created by a doubling of the chromosome count from the original stock (Mosquin, 1967).
c. Multiple species of the house mouse unique to the Faeroe Islands occurred within 250 years of introduction of a foundation species on the island.
d. Formation of 5 new species of cichlid fishes that have formed in a single lake within 4,000 years of introduction of a parent species.
e. Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yea, that's called artificial selection.
It was done in a lab.
Also none of the species mutated into another species.
I said beneficial mutations....not genetic manipulation.
- Yea, you got a poodle from a wolf, it's called artificial selection.
Still, no new genetic code was produced, as was not in the four lab. manipulations you sited as 'evidence'.
I mean, it's not only not evolution, it's not even natural selection.
It was done in a lab.
Also none of the species mutated into another species.
I said beneficial mutations....not genetic manipulation.
- Yea, you got a poodle from a wolf, it's called artificial selection.
Still, no new genetic code was produced, as was not in the four lab. manipulations you sited as 'evidence'.
I mean, it's not only not evolution, it's not even natural selection.
Biological problems for Creationism
"Nabugabo is a small lake in Uganda, separated from Lake Victoria by a sand spit. Radiocarbon dating of plant material in the spit indicate that the enclosure of the small lake occurred only about 4000 years ago. This lake is home to 5 species of Cichlid fishes that are known no where else, including the parent Lake V., though each resembles a species in Lake V. It looks as if five new species have evolved here very quickly and recently."
You probably deny that radiocarbon dating though.
[video=youtube;Dm277H3ot6Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y[/video]
"Nabugabo is a small lake in Uganda, separated from Lake Victoria by a sand spit. Radiocarbon dating of plant material in the spit indicate that the enclosure of the small lake occurred only about 4000 years ago. This lake is home to 5 species of Cichlid fishes that are known no where else, including the parent Lake V., though each resembles a species in Lake V. It looks as if five new species have evolved here very quickly and recently."
You probably deny that radiocarbon dating though.
[video=youtube;Dm277H3ot6Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y[/video]
"It appears"
"It looks"
All things remain the same from the beginning of time? No scientist believes this.
Do you realize the electromagnetic force of the earth is decaying?
Do you also realize that (through fossil records), the atmosphere appeared to be oxygen rich in the past?
So one lake has one species, the other has five. How do you know that the other four didn't die out in the lake with one species?
These are things that no scientist would overlook, or presume.
"It looks"
All things remain the same from the beginning of time? No scientist believes this.
Do you realize the electromagnetic force of the earth is decaying?
Do you also realize that (through fossil records), the atmosphere appeared to be oxygen rich in the past?
So one lake has one species, the other has five. How do you know that the other four didn't die out in the lake with one species?
These are things that no scientist would overlook, or presume.
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What do you mean when you ask for evidence of one species mutating into another. Are you are looking for evidence of a fly mutating into a cat - if there was evidence of this it would disprove evolution as this could only happen under supernatural influence.
What is beneficial mutation? Mutations are at best neutral, they only come into play if they give an advantage in an environmental or ecological bottle neck, even then you could look at them and see where there is an advantage in one area and not in another, e.g. a lot of African people have a mutation that produces sickle cell syndrome - this provided an advantage as it gave increased resistance to malaria - an endemic disease in Africa but it also leads to anemia - not so beneficial.
What is beneficial mutation? Mutations are at best neutral, they only come into play if they give an advantage in an environmental or ecological bottle neck, even then you could look at them and see where there is an advantage in one area and not in another, e.g. a lot of African people have a mutation that produces sickle cell syndrome - this provided an advantage as it gave increased resistance to malaria - an endemic disease in Africa but it also leads to anemia - not so beneficial.
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The reduction in the strength of the Earths geomagnetic field is well known, it has been declining continuously for the past 2000 years, the rate of decline and the current field strength are within statistical norms though so it is nothing to worry about. There are suggestions that this could be the start of a geomagnetic reversal - this has happened many times in the past and will continue to happen into the future - all completely normal and natural
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Are you fine with the definition of species that is based on the ability to produce fertile offspring? Then I'd quote all observed instances of speciation. I see you objected to other people mentioning that because because it was done in a lab, in which case I'd point to ring species as examples of this occurring in the field.
Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ring species provide important evidence of evolution in that they illustrate what happens over time as populations genetically diverge, and are special because they represent in living populations what normally happens over time between long deceased ancestor populations and living populations, in which the intermediates have become extinct."
And you asked for a specific example so I'll just randomly pick... "Song Sparrow[edit]
The Song Sparrow (Melospiza melodia) forms a ring around the Sierra Nevada of California[SUP][8][/SUP] with the subspecies heermanni and fallax meeting in the vicinity of the San Gorgonio Pass."
(As further field evidence of speciation happening naturally I could point to the confirmations of common ancestry between two different species that lack living 'ring species' style intermediates.)
Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Ring species provide important evidence of evolution in that they illustrate what happens over time as populations genetically diverge, and are special because they represent in living populations what normally happens over time between long deceased ancestor populations and living populations, in which the intermediates have become extinct."
And you asked for a specific example so I'll just randomly pick... "Song Sparrow[edit]
The Song Sparrow (Melospiza melodia) forms a ring around the Sierra Nevada of California[SUP][8][/SUP] with the subspecies heermanni and fallax meeting in the vicinity of the San Gorgonio Pass."
(As further field evidence of speciation happening naturally I could point to the confirmations of common ancestry between two different species that lack living 'ring species' style intermediates.)
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Phillipy,
There is no evidence for, nor is there fossil record of transitional lifeforms.
Not one iota of evidence.
"Rings"? - Give me a break!
You are saying there are rings of species?
No. You are claiming sparrow to sparrow; with is no transition of species at all.....just a naturally selected subgroup of the same genis.
There is no evidence for, nor is there fossil record of transitional lifeforms.
Not one iota of evidence.
"Rings"? - Give me a break!
You are saying there are rings of species?
No. You are claiming sparrow to sparrow; with is no transition of species at all.....just a naturally selected subgroup of the same genis.
Wait, are you asking to see a group of animals turn into a group of animals in a different clade? Because that would disprove evolution.
The new groups of sparrows are still sparrows but only because we, as humans, have labeled them with a larger, biologically meaningless, label. Nature doesn't notice this and the sparrows on the different ends of the ring cannot interbreed, so they are not the same species despite having a common ancestor.
The new groups of sparrows are still sparrows but only because we, as humans, have labeled them with a larger, biologically meaningless, label. Nature doesn't notice this and the sparrows on the different ends of the ring cannot interbreed, so they are not the same species despite having a common ancestor.