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No, I read it in an old Bible. a lot of stuff was edited out of the Bible. Bibles predating the King James Bible have a lot of stuff in them not found in later Bibles. You'd have to learn a dead language to read the original text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but you can learn a lot by reading any Bible written before the King James Bible. Bible Scholars originally believed it was horribly sinful to add or subtract anything from the Bible. King James was the first human who decided to dumb down the Bible because commoners are stupid and can't handle the whole truth.
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Well, for some of the list you had, like some of the miracles, I would argue that those miracles wouldn't be too difficult for someone (God) who created the universe.
Oh ok, I just assumed you wouldn't have wanted to claim ignorance. My appologies then.
People will point out that it's a serpent, and not a snake. Regardless, that distinction isn't too important to what we're talking about.
When you first listed it, you listed it as talking snakes (plural), to which I thought was mockery, because I've had atheists tell me that they found a snake in their backyard and it didn't talk to them, therefore Genesis is false. That's the sort of mockery I was getting at, but I can see you aren't like them, so I'll take this seriously. As for the mockers, the Bible makes no claims about talking snakes (plural), it references a singular case (kinda like the donkey talking).
Anyways, the most common (and rational) objection I see in regards to this is, "why did Adam and Eve carry on as if a talking snake (serpent) is normal?" This is a very valid question, as I would be freaked out too if an animal just suddenly started talking to me. I will offer you 2 possible and logical explainations, which could go hand in hand, or it could be just one of them and not the other.
1. Adam and Eve were literally born yesterday (or even sooner). Therefore, they weren't alive long enough to establish any precidents as to what was normal or not normal. So how could a talking snake or serpent seem out of the ordinary to them when there was no ordinary?
2. Adam and Eve did view it as out of the ordinary, and there was much more to the conversation than what we have in the Bible. This one is a bit more of a hypothesis than anything else, but there is credibility behind this concept, for a couple of rather obvious reasons. First, the ancient Hebrew writing itself. The stuff they wrote back then was written to be short and to the point, becasue writting material and people with the ability to write were scarce. Second, it's rather obvious that people said more than what was written in the Bible. Take for instance the prophet Samuel. Do you think the words written in the Bible were the only words Samuel ever spoke throughout his whole life? That would be nonsense. I believe the same is true of some conversations in the Bible, and that the authors, due to scarce writting materials (and maybe some other reasons), only wrote what was most important in regards to what conversations we see in the Bible, and even then some of the conversations might be summarized rather than having the full conversation (I get the feeling a lot, especially reading the OT books, like Samuel - Chronicles).
Or is there some other objection you would like to bring up?
Oh ok, I just assumed you wouldn't have wanted to claim ignorance. My appologies then.
People will point out that it's a serpent, and not a snake. Regardless, that distinction isn't too important to what we're talking about.
When you first listed it, you listed it as talking snakes (plural), to which I thought was mockery, because I've had atheists tell me that they found a snake in their backyard and it didn't talk to them, therefore Genesis is false. That's the sort of mockery I was getting at, but I can see you aren't like them, so I'll take this seriously. As for the mockers, the Bible makes no claims about talking snakes (plural), it references a singular case (kinda like the donkey talking).
Anyways, the most common (and rational) objection I see in regards to this is, "why did Adam and Eve carry on as if a talking snake (serpent) is normal?" This is a very valid question, as I would be freaked out too if an animal just suddenly started talking to me. I will offer you 2 possible and logical explainations, which could go hand in hand, or it could be just one of them and not the other.
1. Adam and Eve were literally born yesterday (or even sooner). Therefore, they weren't alive long enough to establish any precidents as to what was normal or not normal. So how could a talking snake or serpent seem out of the ordinary to them when there was no ordinary?
2. Adam and Eve did view it as out of the ordinary, and there was much more to the conversation than what we have in the Bible. This one is a bit more of a hypothesis than anything else, but there is credibility behind this concept, for a couple of rather obvious reasons. First, the ancient Hebrew writing itself. The stuff they wrote back then was written to be short and to the point, becasue writting material and people with the ability to write were scarce. Second, it's rather obvious that people said more than what was written in the Bible. Take for instance the prophet Samuel. Do you think the words written in the Bible were the only words Samuel ever spoke throughout his whole life? That would be nonsense. I believe the same is true of some conversations in the Bible, and that the authors, due to scarce writting materials (and maybe some other reasons), only wrote what was most important in regards to what conversations we see in the Bible, and even then some of the conversations might be summarized rather than having the full conversation (I get the feeling a lot, especially reading the OT books, like Samuel - Chronicles).
Or is there some other objection you would like to bring up?
M
Not sure how I could answer this question with confidence, since all we have is what's written in the Bible, so I'm not sure how you expect me to give you an answer. The Bible doesn't say it was made with vocal chords. It could have been demon possession. It could have been Satan taking on the physical appearance of a serpent. It could be something I haven't listed. I still don't see what your problem with it is.
M
Well sure. But is it sufficient for you to know half the details and posibilities, or do you need to know every little thing about the situation as if you were there yourself? If it's the latter, there's not much I can do short of inventing a time machine for you to travel back in time to see and experience it all for yourself. I'm not sure how much more detailed we can get about this event other then what's already been covered, but we can try if you'd like to continue.
